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 Post subject: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:41 pm 
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Franchi 712 Raptor 12GA, 30 Inch, Sporting Clays ? are they any good . My brother is looking in to getting one he says its $300 cheaper then a beretta 391 sporting. ?

How do they stack up with the bereta 391 line.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:29 pm 
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You get what you pay for----The 391 is established where the Franchi is not yet been put thru it's paces


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 Post subject: Re: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:50 pm 
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hoashooter wrote:
You get what you pay for----The 391 is established where the Franchi is not yet been put thru it's paces


Ya thats what Im thinking.
thanks

also I use a 391 sporting.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:05 pm 
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hands down the Beretta. Don't waste your time with the other one...


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:13 pm 
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At sporting clay competitions, the 391 is overwhelmingly the auto of choice.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:39 am 
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The Raptor is a sweet gun. Don't discount it too heavily. It has a lot of features.

Do a search for Worc as poster. He has done extensive posts on semi's - including the Franchi.

I have seen some great deals on the 712 on this and other boards.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:45 am 
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No experience with the Franchi. I've had my Beretta AL391 Urika Sporting since May last year. It is a sweet shooting clays gun. Very popular among clay shooters using semi-autos at the highest levels of competition.

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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:02 am 
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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:38 am 
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The only two raptors I personally have experience with went back for refunds. POI problems. Only experience with beretta`s is with shooting partners at the range. The occasional jam is to be expected from what I`ve experienced.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:09 pm 
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Franchi has been making pretty good shotguns for quite a while now. Nice Autos to. I looked seriously at them a while back before I decided to get another Skeet gun instead. Only downside I've seen so far with the Franchi is it doesn't really cycle well with 1 oz loads. They say that right up front. There is a young fellow who shoots some 5 stand at our range with one and on about 1/2 of his doubles it won't eject the first shell, he has to yank the bolt open to chamber the next round. Actually he is pretty good at it by now. :wink: I have a Beretta 20 ga 391 Sporting. Very nice gun! Better than the Franchi? I dunno, but it MAY be. The Franchi really does look pretty good to me. Granted, the Raptor is not yet been arround the block as many times as the 390-391s, but this isn't Franchi's first Rodeo either.

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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:48 pm 
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Both are very good models. They are both gas operated designs. The AL391 is fully compensating for light and heavy loads. The 712 has a piston that can be flipped around for different loads. The heavy setting is to bleed off more pressure for less wear and reduced recoil for a steady diet of loads that are bigger than 1 1/4oz. The 712 is far easier to clean than the AL391. Both can go a long time between cleanings if needed. Both models have shims for the stock and have automatic magazine cutoff's. The AL391 has an additional bolt lock lever. Both have flat ribs and have their safety buttons ate the front of the trigger gaurd. The 712 holds five rounds to the AL391's four. The 712 can also take an extension and the AL391 can't (not important for clays). The overall quality of the AL391 is slightly better than the 712. The AL391 is thinner thru the fore arm than the 712 (12 gauge). The AL391 is far more popular and has more aftermarket goodies for it. The 712 is lighter in weight and both balance with more weight towards the stock. The 712 costs less than a similar AL391.

One of my buddies has an AL391 and I have a 612 which is a 712 with and angled receiver. Both have been very good models that are well made and reliable. My 612 cycles 1oz target loads without any problems.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:37 am 
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Worc, what about those two compared to the SX2.

This one

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/ ... 6&cat=009C


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:36 pm 
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The SX2 weighs a little more than the AL391. The SX2 has a taller rib. It holds five rounds and can take an extension. It has a larger bore which tends to help pattern most non toxic loads. It's safety is at the back of the trigger gaurd. The SX2 has a more netural balance point. The SX2 sporting has shims to adjust the stock but, no magazine cutoff. Cleaning wise would be between the 712 and AL391 and it can go a long time between cleanings. The SX2 also has a self compensating gas system.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:35 pm 
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Sorry to be a newb on shotguns. :arrow: Is there a standout best buy or best value in this category of shotguns ? I'm searching for my first sporting clays shotgun.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:19 pm 
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Good value guns would be something like the Beretta 3901, 390 Wal Mart, Browning Silver, Franchi 712, Weatherby SAS, Winchester SX2.
With the $100.00 rebate on the Golds they are also a very good value. Other good models that cost more would be the Benelli Sport's and Bertetta AL391.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:52 am 
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I bought a 391 in 20ga and a 720 Raptor also 20ga for my wife and her friends to use with our LaPorte 85 TAH Pro on our property. We still have the Beretta.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:22 pm 
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Worc, I am curious as to why you state that the 712 is lighter than the 391, to my research it looks like the 712 is listed at 7.1 lbs and the 391 is listed at 6.6 lbs.

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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:30 pm 
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The only 6.6lb AL391 that I know of is a 20 gauge sporting model. The Lighter 12 gauge field model weighs 7.3 lbs. The 712 is a 12 gauge and weighs 7.1 lbs with 30" barrel and as light as 6.8 lbs with a 24" barrel.


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 Post subject: re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:12 pm 
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:? I had a Franchi supplied to me. It worked most of the time. But, it not work well with a variety of loads in the same mag. Also, the hand position in the stock, did not work at all for me. They have changed it several times. It still does not work! Get the Beretta gas gun. It is the most reliable, easiest to fit and does not need to be squeeky clean gun around!
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 Post subject: Re: Franchi raptor vs beretta 391 sporting
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:47 am 
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This post is quite old and the 720 is the only Franchi gas gun that is easy to find new now, as the other are out of production for some time. Interesting note Worc stated Beretta now uses Franchis gas system in another post. Franchi invented the first modern lightweight auto loader, the 48al some 60 years ago, still in production although Benelli decided to cut the 12 gauge :( . Benelli a motorcycle manufacturer in the 1960's decided to start making shotguns that received great marketing through Beretta the parent company of both now. 25 years ago you would be hard pressed to find someone who knew what a Benelli was unless they were into Italian motorcycles (no longer made). Just a short history lesson and here is my point they all are governed by the Beretta family who has bought up much of the Italian competition. Beretta generally produces excellent weapons with some exceptions as any company has a few regrettable designs. Some people have fired many heavy duck loads through 712's and 612's with the piston set to the light load and wonder why they damage their weapon because they didn't read the manual or have real poor reading comprehension. They would not step up and admit to their foolish mistake, it easier to have false pride and blame the manufacturer. It is also clearly etched on the piston. That said benelli USA did ship some 712's without O rings and when requested sent them out promptly. Benellis USA customer service has had some issues in the past but things seem to be getting better. Berettas customer service has always been among the best. So if you can find any of the Berettas, Benellis, or Franchis in Good condition at a fair price you will do well.


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