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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:06 am 
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Patriot usa wrote:
Sauerfan, here is the type receiver ledge I'm talking about on the Sauer by the house.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/popup. ... 49-1-l.jpg

Also, I have seen Sauers marked 'prussian'; are all Prussian guns marked so? I see some advertised as Prussian with no such mark.


Hi Patriot usa,

If the vendor’s gun is like the one shown in the link: post war West German Sauer model VIII E – or maybe an East German Sauer model VIII E (I’m not that familiar with the post war Sauers). Note the pop out indicators: developed already in the 40s and exported during WWII in very small quantities to Sweden this is a typical post war feature of both the East German Sauer shotguns (sold under Sauer & Sohn, MEWA or VEB Ernst Thälmann vormals Sauer & Sohn) and of the West German Sauer/Eckernförde shotguns. Normally, pre war Sauers don’t have the pop outs.

Regarding the “Prussia” marking: good question. All Sauers I’ve seen having a legend

J. P. Sauer & Son, Suhl, Prussia

were exported to the US. See for example the slide legend of an early Sauer 1913 pistol exported to the US (note the US patent date what isn’t present on Sauer 1913s not exported to the US).

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I don’t know, why Sauer did emphasize the “Prussia” (Suhl belonged to Prussia) on export guns. I really don’t know. A marking

J. P. Sauer & Son, Suhl, Germany

would make much more sense. I don’t know if any other gun maker from Suhl marked guns with “Prussia” also. Maybe this was done to distinguish from the guys in Zella-Mehlis (not belonging to Prussia). The fellows from Suhl and Zella-Mehlis (distance only five miles) did not like each other very much….

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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:40 pm 
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What a fantastic shotgun this is! I took it out this morning. It points naturally and patterns well on paper. It has a great look and feel. It is my new favourite shotgun!


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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:40 pm 
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Now we know it feels and performs like it looks. Nothing like a "new" gun you are happy with. :D

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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:04 pm 
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Gents,
Picked up a Geco myself this week. NOT a Sauer build though, clearly Belgian. 16ga, 30" barrels and has been shot a lot, but still locking up pretty good. I've got some ideas how to remedy that, opened up the forcing cones and have lengthened the chambers to 70mm, chokes are now .012" and .025", (originally .030"/.040" on a .665" bore). Here's a coupla' pics, input and comments appreciated.
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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:14 pm 
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If you got that off Auctionarms, I almost bid on it just because it is the only Belgian Geco I have seen. Congratulations! Enjoy :D

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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:00 pm 
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Patriot,
Well I was bidding on a 12ga a month or two ago, and knowing what I know now, I'm sorry I stopped. Very well built mechanically, and the double lug/greener bolt/ AND side clips is a really nice system for a double. Condition ain't the greatest, the bores are pretty good, and the stock needs replacement, though the through bolt is holding things together just fine at the moment. From what I could gather about Geco it was known for quality stuff. And while this is an example of a plain jane "guild gun", my feeling is that it's a good one, not fancy, but very well put together.
Shoots well, I've got over 300 rounds downrange already, some trap and clays, without a hitch. Now if the operator could only shoot a SxS a bit better, all would be good. :D Mostly 3/4oz HV loads, the light weight of ~ 6.25#'s handles beautifully, and makes it a pleasure to carry. The only problem I've got now, soon remedied, is the horn butt plate slides around a bit, I'll put a thin rubber pachmayr rifle pad on it to stop that.
I'm hoping Sauer fan can step in here with his old catalogues and shed a little more light on origins, typical Belgian proofs, and everything is #'ed, but not a sign of a maker's mark that I can find.
Cheers!
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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:01 am 
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Rrusse11 wrote:

I'm hoping Sauer fan can step in here with his old catalogues and shed a little more light on origins, typical Belgian proofs, and everything is #'ed, but not a sign of a maker's mark that I can find.
Cheers!
R*2


At your service!

Well, first of all, congratulations for your unusual Geco! Now we know at least the country of origin of the Gecos shown in the 1927 Geco catalog (shown on the first page of this thread). These ones do look exactly like yours!

As far as the maker is concerned: no idea at present. But isn’t there a tiny monogram present on some spot? If so, there is a chance to find the maker:

http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_Trade_Marks.html

After identification of the maker (should there be present something like a monogram), you can check the products of the maker here:

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/a% ... s%20gb.htm

Sorry, but that’s all I can do at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:17 am 
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Martin,
Thanks for the input, it's definitely the gun on p.132 of your catalogue. The nearest thing I can find that IS identifiable is this, a current listing on Griffin & Howe. Clearly identical, right down to the scrollwork on the rib extension and the work on the screw heads, and this is marked Fabrique National. Looks like Geco contracted to the best builders of the day.
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When I bought the gun, online, the listing did mention FN, which frankly seemed to be a bit to good to true, and I didn't bring it up with the salesman I talked to before buying over the phone.
One of my local gunshop guys had a look at it, and is bringing in what could be its mate. He's got an old SxS lurking that he reckons is the same build. We'll make a side by side comparison next week.
Interesting research for sure!
Cheers all,
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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:57 am 
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Hi R*2,

congratulations for finding the answer so quickly! Yes, I agree: the FN looks exactly like your Geco. Interesting new information: Geco's house branded shotguns were made by FN or Sauer - that's news!

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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:31 am 
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Martin,
Hey, would never have even looked at Geco's without your input on this thread. Looks like I've stumbled on a sleeper, now for one in 12 & 20ga, :D . Though it looks like from the ask price at G&H, they are well aware that it's a quality piece.
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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:58 pm 
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Cabela's in St. Louis has a similar GECO 12 ga. SxS for sale at $599 in average/good condition. I don't know if it was made by Sauer or the Belgians. Pistol grip stock and 28" barrels, choked F &M, I think. It has been there 6 months, so perhaps they will take less. It appears to be an import from Sweden, via SIMPSON Guns in Galesburg, Illinois

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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:55 pm 
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Gold,
I grabbed one from Simpsons recently, same FN manufacture as my 16ga. A nice pair, albeit a bit rough on the stocks, they both have throughbolts at the head. I'll get some pics of the two. The "new" 12ga is tighter than the 16ga, but essentially identical right down to the sling swivels and the cheekpiece. The 12 is 4oz heavier at 6# 10oz, both 30" barrels. I've got 400 rds or so thru the 16ga without a hitch at the clays course and some informal trap, I'm hoping the 12 proves as reliable.
Cheers,
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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:28 pm 
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Here is another Geco to add to this thread. 16g, 28" barrels, 2 3/4" chambers, 14 1/2" LOP.

I have not yet been able to identify the maker. (Belgiam maker marks.)

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 Post subject: Re: New Geco SxS
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:31 am 
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Nice shape. Congrats!




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