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 Post subject: Re: Still enjoying gunsmithing school(TONS OF PICS)
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:37 am 
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Cowboy- great post. I find it funny you called him "kid". Somehow I pictured him as a 40 something guy with a handlebar mustache.

Regardless, he does incredible work and based on reading a lot of his posts; he seems to be a nice, hardworking guy and a gentleman.

I'd like to come up with a project for him myself!




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I'm still a young whipper snapper at 25yrs old...

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Behind my work bench I still plan on doing overhead cabinets with a small lean-on gun rack. Hopes are to also be able to hang stocks below the cabinets for finish work.

The bench by the mill that is untopped will be topped with a steel sheet. Plans are to put the furnace on it and do welding on it. Anyone care to help lift the furnace?

Not pictured is the front office/gun room. Now that operations have begun this space has turned into my mini-distribution center. I need to figure something out to hide all the boxes and gun cases I get in.

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Find you an old upright TV Stand/cabinet, mount a cheap flat screen on the front of one of the doors and use the inside for storage.

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I'm with you on the boxes and cases. They take up a lot of space that I hadn't planned on either. In my next shop I want to have a customer receiving area for coats, (it gets cold up here), and an area for boxes with a nice area to pack guns up for shipping. And lastly I hope to have a small photography area as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Still enjoying gunsmithing school(TONS OF PICS)
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Probably one of my favorite threads to dig through from time to time, cant wait to see what you put up later on.


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I have watched, followed, and participated in hundreds of forum threads on the world wide web over the last 25 years, and I have to say this is one of, if not the most remarkable, interesting, and informative I have ever seen. Just a great story and documentation of a young man's chosen vocation as it progresses. Thank you so much Aaron for doing this.

Bumping to the top to help keep it current.

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Well thanks for following. I've been away from here for a while! So long I've sold the shop pictured above and bought our 13acre property in East TX with house and shop! I can say I startes doing more shotgun work in the last few months too.

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Don't forget to post us some new pictures of your shop. Having one acreage will really be handy for testing guns. I'm Jealous.

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You've got that right. Being able to walk outside to shoot makes the double rifle regulation I do a profitable venture...unlike before. Plus an early morning deer hunt is a walk out the door.

This building was originally a guest house, we had to do some changes to make it a shop.
This was the day I was finally moved in, it's been changed a little since then.
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Very nice. Looks like good space to work in.

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Now on to the important stuff. I don't do many bolt guns having been dabbling with the double rifles at Bradshaws. This customer is a member on another forum and a young wiper snapper at that. In fact some of the reasoning behind him going with me was the age correlation; him being two or three years older than me(27). I hope this gun sees a lot of use in the field as he works in Tanzania.

He bought the metal work from another fellow member, then sent it to me. Im not sure who has done the metal work until this point. We decided to go with a English style stock, very open grip, short forend, and trim for .404 standards.

Here I am drilling the holes and roughing the inletting on the mill:
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Metal hand inletted the rest of the way:
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Plans are to fill the inclusion on the barrel channel with matching wood:
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Did some 2-dimensional work today:
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I did a bit of rough shaping yesterday. I don't have the floorplate so I cant finish the shaping of the magazine area which is why it looks bulky still. I will get the floorplate in and finish the shaping and refining. Ammo is on the way, plans are to shoot the irons in before doing finish work.

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I handed this .404 rifle I built over to the engraver while at the DSC show. Still work to do when I get it back, the metal has only received a preliminary polish to get it ready for engraving.:
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Big props to Pac-Nor and Jay for delivering on time and the good customer service.

Starting on the barrels I cut off the unsafe shotgun tubes leaving me with a monoblock. Now I must bore it out to accept the rifle barrels. On this particular gun the holes in the monoblock are not parallel but rather slightly facing in toward the muzzle. To bore this out correctly I must off-set the head of the mill to account for this.
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Barrels being turned to fit in the monoblock.
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With 26" barrels this gun will finish out 8.75-9lbs. pictured here the barrels are 27 1/2", ribs long and unmachined.
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I will have the reamer soon. After reaming the chamber I will attach the barrels permanently into the monoblock, lay ribs, regulate, install a metal trigger guard, etc... [/quote]

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Next up I must smoke the barrels onto the monoblock. Since the barrels aren't perfectly perpendicular with the monoblock face I have to file the monoblock face so that the barrels meet up flush. In thie pic you can see the left barrel is already fit, the right still needs done:
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Both fit:
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Barrels soldered in and stoned:
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Milling the extractor pocket:
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Teaser:
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Tomorrow I will machine and smoke in the new extractor then fit the ribs. [/quote]

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[quote=TDK]All finished up. Gun weighs 8lb 11oz and balances an inch in front of the hinge with 26" tubes.

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Hello All,

MOVED TO HERE - FIRST, 700NE BRASS - THEN, THE 700NE DOUBLE RIFLE BUILD - THEN, MAKING BULLETS & RELOADING THE 700NE


As you may know, I've been pleading on various forums for anyone to help me obtain some 700 NE brass.

I needed about 30 pieces of the brass for a custom 700 NE double rifle that I'm having built.

I had ordered some Lathe-turned 700 NE cases and was promised an 8 - 10 week delivery - that was 20 weeks ago.

And now I've been told those cases would be another 10 weeks, "at best".

The only extruded cases made are from Bertram, and they cost about $40 each from several sources.

I have these on back-order from 2 distributors, with no idea of delivery. One said it could be over a year.

Even at these high prices, I could not find even a single 700 NE Bertram case for sale - "anywhere in the World".

I asked several custom Gun Builders that make their own lathe-turned 700 NE cases for help.

I asked them what brass stock they use so I could have a local machine shop make cases for me.

They all ignored my emails and did not respond.

Finally after 3 months a fellow forum member, hubel458, came to my rescue with a suggestion and some 50 BMG brass.

So, I set about making my own 700 NE cases from 50 BMG brass.

Here's how it went. Perhaps this will help others in need.



Fortunately, the 700 NE case is ever-so-slightly smaller at the head, than the 50 BMG case
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I purchased 32 pieces of 50 BMG brass for the transformation.
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1st, the 50 BMG case is trimmed to 700 NE length.
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2nd, the mouth of the 50 BMG is annealed and opened up to 700 NE size.
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3rd, the head of the 50 BMG case is turned down by 0.024" to .780" dia.
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4th, the heads of the 50 BMG cases are threaded to 5/8-24 for about 5/16"
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5th, using brass bar stock, 0.890" dia. x 3/8" thick brass washers are made with a 5/8-24 internal thread.
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Up to this point I had to pay others for the precision machining that was required. Now I took over.


6th, the thick brass washers are permanently attached to the case head with high torque and red loctite.
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7th, the brass washers are faced-off flush with the case head. (700NE FL resizing die is used to hold the case)
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8th, the brass washers are back-faced (flush with the case body) to the rim thickness of 0.080" thick.
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9th, the first 3/4" of the case mouth is precision thinned to .015" thick by turning over a mandrel.
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10th, the prepared cases are polished with emery paper
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However, 50 BMG cartridges us a special 50 BMG primer. They are much larger than Large Rifle Primers. Also, the cups of large BMG primers are very thick, much firing pin force is required to ignite them.

This is not a problem with BMGs, or bolt action rifles, but it is a problem with the lesser firing pin force of a double rifle.

To solve this problem, bushings must be made to reduce the primer pockets down to standard Large Rifle Primer size.


11th, the heads of once fired 300 Win Mag cases are turned down to make the LR Primer bushings.
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12th the finished bushing is cut from the 300 Win Mag case.
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the 300 Win Mag case head, before and after machining to isolate the primer pocket.
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13th, the primer bushing length is machined to the same depth of the 50 BMG primer pocket.
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14th, the LR Primer Bushing is "press-fit" (with 4 blows of a 3 lb hammer) into the BMG primer pocket ( 0.001" interference fit)
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15th, the case is de-primed and re-primed with an F215 Magnum Large Rifle Primer.
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All 32 manufactured 700 NE cases are now ready to be loaded.

Total paid to others = $660 = $20.65 per case. (+30 hours my machining time = $620 saved over retail)
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Federal F215 Magnum Large Rifle primer - inserted into the bushing - compared to a 50 BMG primer.
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Case primed with F215 primer in bushing, along side case primed with 50 BMG primer.
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FINALLY... Although a lot of work, in the end, these cases made from BMG brass are far superior to lathe-turned cases.

I plan on making another batch in the near future, so if I can help someone in need, drop me a note.

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Well, its time to detail how the custom 700NE build is coming along.

The Custom Gunsmith doing this project is Aaron Little, from Newark, Texas.

Aaron contacted me back in October 2015 in answer to my want ad for a 700NE rifle. He inquired if I would be interested in a custom build. After a brief discussion, the project was started.

background: I had purchased a Larona 10 gauge some time earlier as an intended donor gun for a 600NE custom build project.

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As it turned out, Ken Buch is an excellent salesman for Verney Carron and he convinced me that I should own a "genuine" 600NE. You may have seen the post:

http://forums.accuratereloadin...031018312#2031018312

Since the Larona was no longer required for the 600NE project, I inquired to Aaron if it would be suitable as a 700NE donor. Aaron asked for some initial measurements and a description of the Larona.

This particular Larona was actually built by a high quality Spanish builder, Pedro Gorosabel, and imported by Frank Clark Jr., Cheyenne, Wyoming, back in 1957. Researching this fine 10 gauge double resulted in the following information being found.

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This double was in MINT condition with 100% remaining case color. It is a virtual unfired "safe queen" with some very desirable features suitable for a custom double rifle: Anson & Deely pattern box lock - Reinforced Frame - Chopper Lump Bbls - Greener Cross Bolt - Scotts 3rd Bite in Rib Extension - Purdey Side Clips- Vented Firing Pins, Hinged Front Trigger - 11-3/4 pounds - and best of all, it only cost me $580.

When Aaron received it in hand, he was impressed by the size and quality of the piece.

Its only negative was the recoil pad which was crushed and crispy from standing in a safe for nearly 60 years.

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Here are a few step-by-step pictures of the transformation.

To start the project, the original 10 gauge barrels were cut-off leaving the breach intact for mono-blocking the new barrels. Image

Two .700 caliber barrels were purchased from pac-nor. The cartridges along side the barrels are: 700NE, 500NE, 450NE and 338 Win Mag.
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That's a 500NE in the bore and a 700NE on top.
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After cutting off the shotgun barrels, the breachblock/monoblock is clamped in the mill vice and indicated. One hole is indicated and bored out, and then the second hole is indicated and bored out. The bores are not parallel with each other and the mill head must be angled accordingly.
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Boring out the first hole with a boring bar.
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Facing the breachblock after boring (not terribly important since the barrels will be smoked onto the breachblock face)
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Turning the first barrel to fit into the monoblock - tight fit.
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First barrel into the monoblock.
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Turning down the barrel outside diameter.
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With both barrels now in place, Aaron started optimizing the weight for proper balance. To off-set the 28" barrels, 3 pounds was added to the stock, bringing the total weight of the rifle to 18 pounds, with the balance point to just in front of the hinge. With 2 loaded rounds in the chamber, the carrying weight will be a "pleasant" 18-1/2 pounds. As was expected, the original recoil pad could not be removed without damage, so it has been replaced with a new one.
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As the project continues, the new extractor has been made and fitted, and a new forend hanger has been made and installed.

Next, Aaron will be making the top rib, and installing it, & the bottom rib. Front and rear sights will also be added. Then, he will be refitting the forend wood to match the new barrel contours.

When all this has been completed, the rifle will come back to Wisconsin for my load delelopment and testing. Once the desired load has been established, the rifle goes back to Texas (with 40 rounds of loaded ammo) for regulating. I'm sure Aaron is looking forward to that day. And after regulating, the rifle will receive final finishing.

While Aaron has been busy on his end, I too have been preparing. In addition to manufacturing the 700NE brass, a dummy chamber is in the works to serve as a "go-nogo gauge" so I can check my loaded rounds while waiting for the rifle. Finally, I've purchased an Italian Leather Case, and designed an appropriate Trade Label.

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(Hey Aaron - The shotgun shown in the case is a side-lock 10ga that will be a donor gun for my next project - maybe a 577NE - I've always wanted a side-lock double rifle)
(It is made by another top Spanish maker - J. J. Sarasqueta - it too has; Chopper Lump Barrels - Scotts Hidden Bite - Purdey Side Clips - Vented Firing Pins, - 9-3/4 pounds)

More updates to follow as the project progresses.

For those interested; here is Aaron's contact info:

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Hello All,

Here is a progress report of the 700NE project.

First off, let me start by saying that the pictures I'm sharing here depict a "work-in-progress" and the "rough look" is by no means a reflection of Aaron Little's Gunsmithing skills. Make no mistake, his "finished" work is Masterful and pictures at the completion of the project will be posted.

Aaron Little has been busy. Today I received the 700NE Double Rifle "in-the-rough" for Load development.

Aaron told me that things will be looking very "crude" at this point because nothing has been finished. Only the basics have been completed to the point where it can be safely fired for me to develope loads. Nothing has been regulated.

Tomorrow I start shooting and recording the obtained velocities. Actual targeting will be recorded but for curiosity only - absolutely "no expectation" of left and right shots being anywhere close together.

I think the pictures below speak for themselves.

Barrel length is 28"
Weight is 17-1/2 pounds (loaded)
Balance is slightly ahead of the hinge

Last picture shows the 700NE compared to my 600 NE VC

Comments are welcome.

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I've finally tweaked the load to my 1500fps goal.

Looks like the second shot is repeatably just a tad high.

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Aaron said he'll be able to bring the left barrel down a bit. It will be interesting to see his targets. I'll bet they're "snake eyes" and better than mine.

Here are a few progress pictures that Aaron shared with me to show some details of how the build went.

Here you can see the rib being laid-in using High-force 44 and pine rosin.
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Here you see making the forend hanger. He leaves them "wide" as not all guns are made with forend iron dead center. When he's further along, he mills the sides to fit.
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Next he files the correct angle on the hanger face that will drive the forend iron into the action knuckle. You can see here it needs more fitting so that the forend iron drops closer to the barrels.
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Here is shown - "contact"
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Here the stop is just shy of touching the barrels/rib.
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Next he starts to file the hanger to accept the sliding lock.
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Shown "finished".
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Forend hanger in place.
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