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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:55 pm 
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Better to be safe than sorry, send it in, they can assess what may have been wrong. They can do a once over on your whole gun and your all set again. They generally have quick turnaround so you won't be out the gun that long




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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:12 am 
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gwp_man wrote:
Better to be safe than sorry, send it in, they can assess what may have been wrong. They can do a once over on your whole gun and your all set again. They generally have quick turnaround so you won't be out the gun that long


It's on the way. FedEx ETA at CG Maryland is Monday. I miss her already :(

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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:00 pm 
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In case any of you are interested, the pics of my split LM choke tube are below:

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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:24 pm 
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Regarding my split choke, I just spoke to Aaron at CG. The barrels are OK, and everything inside and out looks great, he said. The root cause of the split is a bit of a guess, I think, but he said it was caused by an obstruction of some kind that was impinged upon by the follow-up shot. I don't really understand how an "obstruction" could be in the choke ID, but Aaron said they felt the crack began at the dimple (see pics in previous post) about 3/4 of the way from the exit end of the choke.

Because the crack was caused by this "obstruction," the crack is not a warranted issue. I mildly disagree, but I'm not making a big stink. I will buy another LM choke, get my gun back, and move on.

I do have a question for the forum however. I installed this LM choke in the midst of my round, as many SC shooters do. Is there some potential problem with debris or "obstructions" in the barrel that means a choke should only be installed in a "clean" barrel? I really don't believe this is the case, but after CG's theory of the root cause, I wonder what gun OEMs think.

My feelings of CG service are not diminished at all by this event, but I'm confused regarding how this pretty rare incident happened. Maybe it's just one of those unfortunate things that happens because stuff happens.

Anyway, incident over. CG received my gun on Monday, and completed the inspection and pit stop by Thursday. I dare any other manufacturer to do better. Now I just want to get my CG Summit Ltd. back and shoot her again.

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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:36 pm 
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I cannot see the "dimple" in the photo, but CG just politely told you that you were lying about what you told them about your use of the gun and tube at the time the tube split.
Did the gentleman give you any examples of the kind of "obstruction" that caused the dimple? I have seen many shotgun barrels damaged by obstructions, and a few choke tubes. Never saw anything like a "dimple". I am interested in what others have to say.
This is not in keeping with what many others have said about CG. I have seen other choke tube sellers replace tubes based on far weaker claims that the tube was defective. The tube probably costs CG less than $25. I am surprised they did not replace it.


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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:16 am 
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I've been thinking about this incident, and wondering if the "obstruction" CG was referring to was a polite way of saying I might have used reloads (I did), and that one of them might have been a weak event that left the wad at the end of the barrel for a follow-up shot. That is a possibility. I vaguely remember hearing a slightly strange boom near the very end of my 175 round practice day, but didn't really consider it until recently.

If that's what happened, I am very fortunate nothing worse transpired.

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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:24 pm 
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Got my Summit Ltd. back from the split choke safety review and pit stop. It was really too early for a pit stop, but since CG wanted to be sure the gun was OK after the choke incident, I asked for a pit stop since it was there. They said the gun was just fine, nothing needed repair or replacement. I dropped the gun off at my local SC gun store on 3/16, it arrived at CG on 3/20, and I picked it back up on 3/29. Pretty good turn-around. The list of pit stop items read like this:

Adjusted stock fit
Adjusted trigger take up
Polished muzzle
Cleaned bores
Polished ejectors
Polished breech face
Adjusted barrel/frame fit
Adjusted ejector synchronization

Picture perfect day today for sporting clays practice today. I concentrated on intense focus on the bird, and not measuring, while shooting the C-D birds. To do that each and every shot is really difficult. I hope I can ingrain that habit and stop having to think about it. 130 trouble-free rounds thru the CG Summit Ltd. today with my new Maxis Competition LM/LM chokes.

Total shot count for the Summit Limited = 6960.

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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:41 pm 
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Another picture perfect Michigan Saturday for SC practice. 130 rounds today in the warm spring sunshine. I felt pretty good about my practice session except for a really tough 35 yard low diving R-L crosser that runs about 4 feet off the ground and buries itself quickly. Hit the first 2 then managed only about 1 of the next ten.

Passed the 7k mark with this beautiful gun today. I loved learning the game for 17k rounds on my CZ, and I can shoot my beautiful Fabarm XLR5 really well, but unless I win a free Kolar or Krieghoff or Blaser someday, I can see using this gun for a long long time.

Total shot count for the Summit Limited = 7090.

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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:52 am 
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Big shooting weekend just ended. Participated in the 2017 6th Annual CZ USA Spring Championship at Michigan Shooting Centers Sat/Sun. The weather couldn't have been better, and the courses were great, as usual, when Pat Lieske and Co. are hosts.

I shot the 100 bird prelim, the 100 bird main, 50 bird 5-stand, 50 bird 12G FITASC, and 50 bird 20G FITASC. Had a lackluster prelim, but the rest of the events I was real happy with my performance and of course my CG Summit Ltd. was excellent.

This was my first competition with the 20G Briley Side Kicks. I'd used them a couple of times previously, but not in NSCA competition. They were great, except that, as I've been told, unless you shoot Win AA, Rem STS, or another premium brand, they may occasionally get a bit stuck due to shell expansion during firing, and not eject properly. I used Rios, 1210 FPS 7.5's, and in 55 rounds only two required extra persuasion to leave the chamber. I've seen Rios in 12G sometimes stick a bit as well. They work fine, but I guess that's why you get them on sale, as opposed to the premium brands. The Side Kicks are also nasty dirty when you pull them out to clean them, but some Rem shotgun cleaner, some CLP and a scotch-brite pad worked OK.

Another 360 rounds of really enjoyable shooting with the Summit Ltd.

Total shot count for the Summit Limited = 7450.

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 Post subject: Re: Summit Limited w/ High Rib - Reliability Test & Journey
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:23 pm 
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