There are lots of questions on proof marks and date of manufacture.
Explore each link for the answer to the stampings on your water tables and barrel flats.
Importance of Proof and some explanations
http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/doc ... 02CC7E8CEE ·
Makers Marks and date codes
http://personales.jet.es/rafa/b_punzones.html
http://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm
CIP signatories proof marks, to include the marking for steel shot:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/ ... nco_en.pdf
Choke Markings
http://www.hallowellco.com/choke_chart.htm
http://www.ssaa.org.au/stories/shotguns ... hokes.html
post 1994 gun code/date markings, pg 56
Older AyA catalog with a history of Basque gunmaking and some good reference material on AyA serial numbers and date of manufacture. This has the new serial number method of dating in it. See pages 56 and 57 for serial number information, and date & gun codes and 55 for finish type questions
http://www.aya-fineguns.com/archivos/va ... ue_AYA.pdf
REGARDING STEEL SHOT: PLEASE READ BELOW
Before asking the question, you should be able to do the homework and decide whether you want to take the risk or not. The decision is yours alone to make. It is your gun, fingers and face.
Because of the multitude of questions regarding this subject, I have found and I am including a link to a document that explains very well if you can use steel shot in guns proofed for steel and not proofed for steel.
http://www.chircuprodimpex.ro/produse/a ... nition.pdf
Please read and digest it. Included in the document are chapters regarding HIGH PERFORMANCE and STANDARD PERFORMANCE loads. Shot size, shot charge weight, momentum generated and shot velocity are all factors.
In short, a high performance steel shot shell should only be used in guns with the steel shot proof mark, the Fleur de Lis.
Standard steel shot shells (meeting CIP standards, not SAAMI standards. Remember the guns were proofed to CIP standards) can be used in guns not proofed for steel shot if the following conditions are met:
Pressure as published for standard shells is not exceeded
A certain shot size is not exceeded
The choke is no greater than modified
The shot velocity is not exceeded
The Momentum generated is not exceeded
The numbers are in the attached document for 12 ga and 20 ga. You will need to do the math yourself.
IMPORTING FROM SPAIN
Here it is step by step with links:
1. Buy the gun. Two ways to do this. One is do it in person, two is to do it over the internet. In person you can pay via credit card, the second via wire transfer. Cost of Gun
Armeria Taradell (Barcelona)
http://armeriataradell.com/?wpsc_produc ... xtapuestas
Armeria Argali (Madrid)
http://www.club-caza.com/servicios/arma ... as&m=Armas
2. If you want the gun re-stocked and extra firing pins and main springs made, send your wood to the gun seller and have them send the gun and wood to Armas CHOY (Diego Godoy) in Eibar for the work. 700 euros (more or less) per gun plus cost of wood and shipping to Spain
3. Have the store pay Diego Godoy and bill you or you can have Diego bill you directly. I recommend that you have the store bill you.
4. Apply for your import certificate, Form 6. I recommend TR Imports at http://www.trimports.com/commerce/ccc10 ... rvices.htm Cost listed.....around $150
5. When you have your form 6, send it to your gun seller and have him apply for the Export certificate http://www.comercio.mityc.es/en/comerci ... ORTACIONES
6. When you have the import certificate and export certificate have your seller contact a shipping agent to send the guns. I used Air Cargotrans in Madrid http://www.aircargotrans.es/english/contacto.htm Around 400 euros for two guns
7. When you have a shipping Airbill, notify TR Imports of the gun coming. Send your FFL to Chuck so that he can ship it to you. Cost built in above
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Explore each link for the answer to the stampings on your water tables and barrel flats.
Importance of Proof and some explanations
http://www.basc.org.uk/download.cfm/doc ... 02CC7E8CEE ·
Makers Marks and date codes
http://personales.jet.es/rafa/b_punzones.html
http://www.hallowellco.com/proof_date_codes.htm
CIP signatories proof marks, to include the marking for steel shot:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/hearings/ ... nco_en.pdf
Choke Markings
http://www.hallowellco.com/choke_chart.htm
http://www.ssaa.org.au/stories/shotguns ... hokes.html
post 1994 gun code/date markings, pg 56
Older AyA catalog with a history of Basque gunmaking and some good reference material on AyA serial numbers and date of manufacture. This has the new serial number method of dating in it. See pages 56 and 57 for serial number information, and date & gun codes and 55 for finish type questions
http://www.aya-fineguns.com/archivos/va ... ue_AYA.pdf
REGARDING STEEL SHOT: PLEASE READ BELOW
Before asking the question, you should be able to do the homework and decide whether you want to take the risk or not. The decision is yours alone to make. It is your gun, fingers and face.
Because of the multitude of questions regarding this subject, I have found and I am including a link to a document that explains very well if you can use steel shot in guns proofed for steel and not proofed for steel.
http://www.chircuprodimpex.ro/produse/a ... nition.pdf
Please read and digest it. Included in the document are chapters regarding HIGH PERFORMANCE and STANDARD PERFORMANCE loads. Shot size, shot charge weight, momentum generated and shot velocity are all factors.
In short, a high performance steel shot shell should only be used in guns with the steel shot proof mark, the Fleur de Lis.
Standard steel shot shells (meeting CIP standards, not SAAMI standards. Remember the guns were proofed to CIP standards) can be used in guns not proofed for steel shot if the following conditions are met:
Pressure as published for standard shells is not exceeded
A certain shot size is not exceeded
The choke is no greater than modified
The shot velocity is not exceeded
The Momentum generated is not exceeded
The numbers are in the attached document for 12 ga and 20 ga. You will need to do the math yourself.
IMPORTING FROM SPAIN
Here it is step by step with links:
1. Buy the gun. Two ways to do this. One is do it in person, two is to do it over the internet. In person you can pay via credit card, the second via wire transfer. Cost of Gun
Armeria Taradell (Barcelona)
http://armeriataradell.com/?wpsc_produc ... xtapuestas
Armeria Argali (Madrid)
http://www.club-caza.com/servicios/arma ... as&m=Armas
2. If you want the gun re-stocked and extra firing pins and main springs made, send your wood to the gun seller and have them send the gun and wood to Armas CHOY (Diego Godoy) in Eibar for the work. 700 euros (more or less) per gun plus cost of wood and shipping to Spain
3. Have the store pay Diego Godoy and bill you or you can have Diego bill you directly. I recommend that you have the store bill you.
4. Apply for your import certificate, Form 6. I recommend TR Imports at http://www.trimports.com/commerce/ccc10 ... rvices.htm Cost listed.....around $150
5. When you have your form 6, send it to your gun seller and have him apply for the Export certificate http://www.comercio.mityc.es/en/comerci ... ORTACIONES
6. When you have the import certificate and export certificate have your seller contact a shipping agent to send the guns. I used Air Cargotrans in Madrid http://www.aircargotrans.es/english/contacto.htm Around 400 euros for two guns
7. When you have a shipping Airbill, notify TR Imports of the gun coming. Send your FFL to Chuck so that he can ship it to you. Cost built in above
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Hi all, Damn good idea Mitch!! Makes a lot of sense to me. I second this request.
