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 Post subject: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:21 pm 
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I would like to try shooting some annies, but I have been told that a lot of those guys are tailoring their loads for the game. I reload and have components to do this except for the powder. I usually use 700x for regular trap, but what do you suggest for annies from the 27 yard line, using an 1 1/8 oz load?
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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:58 pm 
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I use Hodgdon Longshot powder for fast hunting loads.


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:31 pm 
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maybe if I were on the porch or parking lot I'd get all worked up about a bit more sumthin or other.
3 drams of 7-1/2's will break anything they throw at you from the 27.


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:32 am 
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Longshot or WSF.

My buddy and I load fast 1 1/8 loads for hunting Eurasian Collared doves.


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:34 am 
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I don't think you can go wrong with Longshot, Unique or Universal for the loads you are looking for.

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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:51 am 
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My favorite is 1.25 ounce of 6’s first shot after that 5’s even 4’s. All loaded with longshot. Blue dot is another powder I like. Know guys running herco and 800x.


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:52 am 
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I don't think anything can match the numbers achievable with Hodgdon's Longshot powder.

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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:04 am 
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Don’t overlook Herco. It’s great for Annie’s. A lot of shooters also use ProReach, Blue Dot, and 800x as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:25 am 
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Alliant makes Pro Reach just for that purpose. take a look there too.


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:29 pm 
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Remember though , in most cases it's not the ammo but the shooter , who can't break long
distance targets ! Let pattern density be your guide along with , better tighter patterns are
achieved with better components , harder shot and a recoil system that will allow you to
practice more often with the tightest choke you have !
Well known Annie shooters shoot a lot and often !


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:33 pm 
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Green dot or Unique loaded at 1250fps is all you need back to the parking lot if you do your part.


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:55 pm 
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These last 2 posts from Ravenanme and shotgun red 52 contain a lot of wisdom. You address that package correctly (put the shot cloud on the target) and you'll be breaking lots of targets. You don't, it doesn't matter if you shoot 3.5" shells.

I get that it is fun to experiment with loads, I like it also but if you're serious about winning practice hitting them.


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:04 pm 
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An 1 1/4 of number 7(not 7 1/2) at 1250 fps will crush any clay out to 100Yrds. That should take care of the porch or parking lot. Appropriate choke needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:55 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:44 pm 
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Thanks guys.... A lot of good info. A couple of guys are suggesting Green Dot.... What are your thoughts on it? Also, I was planning to use Fed Top Gun hulls, since I have a ton of them, so are they straight walled like the Gold medals? Can I use Gold medal data to get started working on a load?
Thanks again!


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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:02 pm 
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Green Dot is fine. You just won’t get quite the velocity out of it as you will with some of the slower powders, if that is important to you

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 Post subject: Re: Best powder for a fast heavy load....
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:42 am 
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Ravenanme wrote:
Remember though , in most cases it's not the ammo but the shooter , who can't break long distance targets ! Let pattern density be your guide along with , better tighter patterns are achieved with better components , harder shot and a recoil system that will allow you to practice more often with the tightest choke you have ! Well known Annie shooters shoot a lot and often !


The July 1993 issue of Shotgun Sports had an interesting article titled, " 90% Guns & Loads". The author claims that by judicious selection of hulls, primer, powder, wads and shot size, he achieved 97% patterns with 1-1/4 oz. # 2 buffered shot at a measured 40 yards with a full choked Winchester Model 97. The same gun using 1-1/8 oz. #2 buffered shot produced 90% and 1-1/8 oz. #4 buffered produced 94% patterns. Unfortunately, the author fails to identify the recipe for the 90%, 94% and 97% loads. He does mention that a full choked Model 12 produced the 2nd best results. Among the other guns, he tested were Remington 1100 and 870's, Browning O/U, and several 10 gauge magnums, the results for which, he fails to mention. The author's failure to specify load recipes makes his article an interesting commentary but, not a scientific test.

Have any forum members attempted to obtain a maximum pattern percentage with their Annie loads and favorite gun?

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