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 Post subject: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:06 pm 
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Hello all, Ok so I bought this powder the other day it is Winchester WSF powder and now I can't seem to find any load data on the powder I was wondering if anyone knew the load data for it or where I could possibly find it, the hulls I am using are winchester universal super targets. any help would be great.. Thanks a bunch.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:19 pm 
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Try this link:

http://www.data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:22 pm 
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The link won't come up.. but thank you lol :D and i have been there and it only comes up as universal


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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:22 pm 
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Here's the website.

http://www.wwpowder.com

Doesn't look like there's any data for that particular hull.

I use WSF in 20 & 28 gauge. Works great. (I know, the safety police are going to get me for loading shells with no published data)

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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:25 pm 
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Ok, sorry.. :oops: Try this:

http://www.hodgdon.com

Go to data drop down, select reloading data. Input your info and go from there.

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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:25 pm 
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That link didn't work either. Try this one.

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:46 pm 
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Ok i tried and it comes up as universal powder not wsf,, now is universal the same as wsf, or is it a totally different powder?? lol.. i'm not new at realoading but i this is my first time using this kind of powder.. lol :) This is all of my imformation on what i am using,

Winchester 2 3/4 inch polyformed shotshell
my shot is lead
with a shot weight of 1 1/8 oz, a waa 12 wad, my powder is winchester wsf, my primers are winchester 209 and my hulls are winchester universal super target, AA once fired hulls....

hope this makes sense lol


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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:03 pm 
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Shell: 2 3/4" WINCHESTER COMPRESSION - FORMED AA & HS TYPE PLASTIC SHELLS

Load Type Gauge Shot Wt. Powder Primer Wad Powder Wt. (Gr.) Pressure Vel. (ft/s)

Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WSF Win. 209 WAA12 27.5 8,700 PSI 1310
Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WSF Win. 209 WAA12 29 9,900 PSI 1365
Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. WSF Win. 209 WAA12 30 10,600 PSI 1400

These were the only recipes for that type wad and WSF.

There was no data for WSF in polyformed hulls.

Good luck

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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:11 pm 
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In my Lyman #5 reloading book, there are quite a few loads in 28ga. for wsf. I have a pound I bought back in the early 90's but haven't opened it. Just started loading again and had forgot why I bought it....I think I got it for 20ga at the time.


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 Post subject: Re: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:20 pm 
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Brad F wrote:
Here's the website.

http://www.wwpowder.com

Doesn't look like there's any data for that particular hull.

I use WSF in 20 & 28 gauge. Works great. (I know, the safety police are going to get me for loading shells with no published data)

Brad

Winchester does not advocate use of WSF in the 28 due to pressure issues in testing. This was reported a while back in this forum.
It does appear in the Lymans #5 in the 28 and the 20.

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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:23 pm 
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I switched to it in 28 ga when winchester discontinued 540. I got the recipe word of mouth. I had to back it down a couple of bushing sizes to get it down to 1200 fps. Ended up using the same bushing I'd been loading with 540. Haven't given it another thought since. Nice soft load that really crushes targets.

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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:23 pm 
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WSF is a 20ga target powder and is also suitable for heavy field loads in the 12. I've never seen any load data for any powder using WW's promotional priced "Universal" hulls in either gauge. Lyman's 5th has a considerable amount of data for WSF in other (and better) hulls.


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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:04 pm 
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bigcanadianbuckhunter,

There is a very good reason that you cannot find data for loading that hull in Winchesters load data. It's simply because Winchester DOES NOT recommend that this hull be reloaded, and therefore does not publish data for it's use. Just that simple.

That being said, you can reload the cases, but it should be limited to just once or twice, and the hull then discarded. THe hulls are too flimsey to be trusted for multiple reloads, and the base wads have a habit of coming loose with multiple reloads.

You can use AA data, as the internal shape and capacity of that case is very similar, and so reloads the same. Use this case only in reloads of moderate Chamber pressures, such as Target loads or Light Field Loads. Never use it in Heavy Field or Target loads with chamber pressures exceeding 10,000 PSI.

As for the 28 gauge, Winchester Ballistitions have determined that WSF has a tendancy to have pressure spikes which occur randomly and unexpectedly in this gauge. They therefore DO NOT recommend it's use in the 28 ga. and NEVER HAVE, since the powder was introduced on the market.

All I can say to you, or any other person using this powder in the 28 ga., "You are litterally taking a huge chance on damage to your guns, personal injury, and/or injury to others. If the Manufacturer and Distributor of this powder says "Don't Do It", then you are taking a huge risk in doing so.

To those who disagree with the above statements, there's no need for rebuttal. Facts are facts, and refusal to follow the recommendation of the manufacturer is simply, for lack of a better word, ludicrous.

Winchester's Ballistitions have the equipment to determine whether the powder is safe to use in certain usages. I dare say none of the ordinary reloaders have access to such testing equipment, and are simply loading by the seat of their pants.

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 Post subject: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:17 am 
In my experience, WSF is a terrific powder, with several good qualities to recommend it. I use it in preference to several other famous standard-application powders for this or that job.

In this or that gauge application.


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 Post subject: Re: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:16 pm 
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Brad F wrote:
I switched to it in 28 ga when winchester discontinued 540. I got the recipe word of mouth. I had to back it down a couple of bushing sizes to get it down to 1200 fps. Ended up using the same bushing I'd been loading with 540. Haven't given it another thought since. Nice soft load that really crushes targets.

Brad


Hodgdon HS-6 is the same as the old Winchester 540. I switched to HS-6 when 540 was discontinued.


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 Post subject: Re: re: Winchester WSF Powder
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:48 pm 
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GaryE wrote:

Hodgdon HS-6 is the same as the old Winchester 540. I switched to HS-6 when 540 was discontinued.


Interesting. I switched to HS-7 for 28ga when W571 was discontinued (same powder, diff label), and now HS-7 has been discontinued. :(


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