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 Post subject: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:16 pm 
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Hello Folks,
I have been reading that some have been have trouble using the XXL Orange for 3/4 oz. So last week while in Sparta IL for the Grand American, I dropped by the MEC booth. This loader was set up for 1 1/8 oz. loads. So we changed the charge bar, powder bushing and adjusted the rammer tube and started loading.

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The 9000G

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Sorry for the quality of this photo. On the rammer tube, the wad height indicator is between line 7 and 8. Closer to line 7 (This is the factory recommended spot for 7/8 oz. loads.)



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Please note: No adjustment to the wad guide finger was needed.

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Notice the AA hull looks shorter. We found about .125 (1/8 of and inch) differences in length of the AA hulls VS Remington STS & Nitro 27's

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Even the STS & Nitros weren’t the same length. Closed center VS Center hole.

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 Post subject: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:21 pm 
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 Post subject: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:48 pm 
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So a couple of folks could find it.

Test date: 2/2/2008 Shell Temp 70 degrees

Rem. Gun Clubs (once fired)
17.1 grains Alliant Red Dot
XXL Orange Wad
322.1 Grains Eagle #8 Shot

Lot One: Above Components with a Winchester 209
LOT # XFL714

Pressure / Velocity
1) 7230 / 1258 High
2) 6430 / 1246
3) 6980 / 1251
4) 6870 / 1248
5) 6130 / 1216 Low

Ave. Pressure
6728
Velocity
Ave. 1243 / ES (Extreme Spread) 42 / SD 16

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Lot 2: Above Components with a Cheddite. 209
LOT NUMBER CX 2000 31/2/012

Pressure / Velocity
1) 6770 / 1252 High
2) 6550 / 1222
3) 6630 / 1248
4) 6170 / 1215 Low
5) 6500 / 1240

Ave. Pressure
6524
Velocity
Ave. 1235 / ES. 37 / SD. 16

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Lot 3: Lot 2: Above Components with a Federal 209 A
LOT # BJ 059(THE B IS BACKWARDS)

Pressure / Velocity
1) 7220 / 1287
2) 7720 / 1318 High
3) 7530 / 1287
4) 7900 / 1296
5) 7590 / 1275 Low

Ave. Pressure
7592
Velocity
Ave.1292 / ES 43 SD16
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In shooting these shells on the trap range at 35 degrees. (The shells set outside for 1 hour to even the temp.) Winchester & Cheddite started have off sounding reports. At 32 degrees more so. The Federals never had one off sounding report.




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 Post subject: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:31 pm 
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Maybe I'm missing something, but why use the orange wad?

I load my 3/4s with the pink ones and they work just fine either with AA or STS hulls. I'm dropping 17 grains of Promo.

I use just about the same setup for 7/8s loads with #8 shot.


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 Post subject: Re: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:34 pm 
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ctroy36 wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but why use the orange wad?

I load my 3/4s with the pink ones and they work just fine either with AA or STS hulls. I'm dropping 17 grains of Promo.

I use just about the same setup for 7/8s loads with #8 shot.

So you get a better burn, especially in the winter time when your load might bloop as it did for me in East Tn., which ain't known for being cold in the winter.

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 Post subject: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:58 pm 
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Personally I haven't seen the "Blopper" problem!

But then I was using Nitro 100 for almost two years, and just last fall switched to Promo.

I use the pink wad for all the Rems, and the old CF AA's, and the orange for all the straight walled hulls, including the AA HS. I know, they are supposed to load alike, but I find a difference and it works better for me this way.

All on a 9000, very slight but still very acceptable dish. Same load with 7/8 oz. load, no dish at all.

One more thing that might be helping me, is that I am dropping somewhat more powder, but only with the Promo, both to get a cleaner burn and to operate the autos.

I will be going back to Nitro, or some other faster powder, when this dirty Promo is gone. Break open guns, no problem, but just too dirty in the autos. And if I have to use more, there goes the savings!

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 Post subject: Re: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:05 pm 
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jugchoke wrote:
Personally I haven't seen the "Blopper" problem!

But then I was using Nitro 100 for almost two years, and just last fall switched to Promo.

I use the pink wad for all the Rems, and the old CF AA's, and the orange for all the straight walled hulls, including the AA HS. I know, they are supposed to load alike, but I find a difference and it works better for me this way.

All on a 9000, very slight but still very acceptable dish. Same load with 7/8 oz. load, no dish at all.

One more thing that might be helping me, is that I am dropping somewhat more powder, but only with the Promo, both to get a cleaner burn and to operate the autos.

I will be going back to Nitro, or some other faster powder, when this dirty Promo is gone. Break open guns, no problem, but just too dirty in the autos. And if I have to use more, there goes the savings!

What autos, and how much promo to drive them for you???

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 Post subject: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:43 pm 
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Benellis, Berettas, and a SX2 Light.

Anything with a 17 for the first number is no where near enough. Even 18.5 is too little, it works fair, (which ever wad). But still so dirty, even the Benellis will drag to much from the unburned powder back in the action. Totally defeats the purpose or intent of the Benelli ad, where they state that all the dirt and junk, "goes out the barrel"! It doesn't, scads of it gets back in and behind the action!

Starts out fine and then just gums up! Gritty, etc, can't be good running on that stuff, just feels gritty.

20/20.4 is much cleaner burning.

I feel like upping it some more, just to get rid of the crap!

Don't want to go to loading two different 3/4 oz loads, one for the autos and one for the break open guns.

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 Post subject: Re: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:41 am 
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jugchoke wrote:
Benellis, Berettas, and a SX2 Light.

Anything with a 17 for the first number is no where near enough. Even 18.5 is too little, it works fair, (which ever wad). But still so dirty, even the Benellis will drag to much from the unburned powder back in the action. Totally defeats the purpose or intent of the Benelli ad, where they state that all the dirt and junk, "goes out the barrel"! It doesn't, scads of it gets back in and behind the action!

Starts out fine and then just gums up! Gritty, etc, can't be good running on that stuff, just feels gritty.

20/20.4 is much cleaner burning.

I feel like upping it some more, just to get rid of the crap!

Don't want to go to loading two different 3/4 oz loads, one for the autos and one for the break open guns.

Our browning Gold runs great on 18, grains of Promo, Getting ready to try 17.5.
BTW can you hear the wad screeching on the way to the target? I do and it is neat sounding!

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 Post subject: Re: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
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BTW can you hear the wad screeching on the way to the target? I do and it is neat sounding!


Cousin Curly, my hearing is so bad that the ringing in my ears, that I used to hear, no longer bothers me!

(Hell, people on these forums can call me names, and I can't "hear" them either!) :shock: :roll: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:58 am 
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ctroy36 wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but why use the orange wad?

ctroy36 wrote:
I load my 3/4s with the pink ones and they work just fine either with AA or STS hulls.

You might want to monitor another thread in this forum entitled "WAD PRESSURE" to where Kevin from Down Range has recently posted some information (and where I've asked some specific questions).

Collectively, I think it would be helpful if "we the 3/4-ouncers" could come up with, and post kind of a general guideline for when to use the XXL Orange for 3/4 oz, and when to use the XXL Pink. Maybe something that would draw on real-life shooters experiences in reference to which powders, primers, and temperatures. Just a thought...

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 Post subject: re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:26 pm 
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I use 17.3 grs with a CB gray wad and 3/4 oz,PMC primer.. Cycles a beretta gold techny`s trap all day long without a jam.......

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:32 pm 
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Saw a couple of post about 3/4 ounce and thought I would resurface this post as I bookmarked it.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
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I use 17.5 grs of promo and 3/4 oz. Beretta 391 all day long cold or hot. That load will not function in my benelli super sport. I have long quit trying and went with a 7/8 oz load in it. I use both the DR pink and gray CB clone with equal results. PMC primers.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:01 am 
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Some years ago when Kevin at DR came out with his Pink wad I tried it with my 3/4 oz load and was getting just OK pattern results. When I spoke to him about it, he asked what kind of gun I was shooting and if the barrels were backbored. I shoot a browning 525 which is backbored from the factory (about .743/745 if I remember correctly) and he suggested that I try the Orange wad because it was slightly larger in diameter. This slight increase in diameter will fill up the bore more as the wad is traveling down the barrel and produce a more stable wad/shotcup what results in a better pattern. One of my concerns was that I was using a STS hull and not a straight walled hull that the Orange is designed for - He said that should not be a problem as long as the powder filled up the space under the wad so the base of the wad did not get crushed inwards with any wad pressure (on the contour at the bottom of REM STS hulls) when the shell was made. Now since the new modern powders DO NOT NEED ANY WAD PRESSURE to perform as the Mfg intended, this could be done as I use 18.1 gr of Clays powder for my 3/4 oz loads. I am also using a 9000g automate to build with and don't even think I needed to change the wad height going from the Pink to the Orange (cant remember that clearly so I could be wrong). Anyway where I am going with this is: The patterns did get better. This hull combo could be used as a good go to utility wad for sheet / trap / or sporting which is where I usually use them.
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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:25 am 
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TTT Bump for a new guy working with 3/4 oz. loads.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:51 am 
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Thanks Kevin...as a little addition, I live in FL and we don't have to deal much with anything resembling cold. I use XXL Pinks for 3/4oz. loads in WWHS hulls and just switch to Remmies for 7/8 with no press adjustments with excellant results. In order to get a decent crip, if I Need to load 3/4 in Remmies then I go to the XXL Orange more to adjust for additional volume in the Remmies than any combustion problems. I load 17 to 17.5 gr. and they cycle in my son's 1100 just fine as long as it's clean.


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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:34 am 
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Hey Bwanar...17-17.5 gr. of what powder?

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:00 am 
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Grouse Gunner wrote:
Hey Bwanar...17-17.5 gr. of what powder?

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That is a real decent wt to use with Promo and Red Dot(since they are equivalent) And I would bet, without checking that you could use it with Clay and Clay Dot.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/4 oz. loads and a Mec 9000
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TTT Bump for a new guy working with 3/4 oz. loads.




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