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 Post subject: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:44 pm 
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I have some 28 ga AA old style hulls and I have been loading 20 ga AAs and 28 ga sts with 20/28. I want to load these old style AA hulls with 20/28 but alliant dont list any loads for them just AAHS hulls. So I was wondering if any of you guys have called alliant and asked about using the same data as the hs hulls. I tried loading a couple with the HS wad but it want work but the AA28 pink wad will work for a 3/4 oz load. I would appreciate some help if anyone has run into this situation.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:00 pm 
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Contacted Alliant sometime back, about this and was given this load:

AA CF Hull
W-209 or Fio Primer
13.5 grs. 20/28
WAA 28 wad or clone thereof
3/4 oz. shot
Est. velocity was 1200 to 1225 FPS

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:02 pm 
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I would not use AAHS data for a CF hull in 28 ga. If you do some homework you'll notice in identical performance load data that it always takes more of the same powder in an AAHS hull to do the same thing you could do with less powder in the CF hull. I would not worry about using Remington Preimer data in the CF hull though. I'll bet that if you again do your homework you'll find parallel data for most any comparable load in both the Preimer, STS, and CFAAs. Don't assume that the same load for old and new AAs is acceptable for 28s like it is for 20 and 12 ga hulls, it ISN'T!

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:28 pm 
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Yea I think the AA HS data with the same wad at 1200 fps is like 13 gr. I am surprised it is more with the AA CF hull. On the STS using the same other components says to use 12.5 Gr of 20/28.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:08 am 
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Started reloading 28 ga and got some WAA CF (older style) a few months ago. Had some Unique and Herco that I've loaded out at 13 & 14 gr respectively per previous versions of the Alliant Reloaders Guide. Contacted Alliant about the old case and 20/28 powder, they verbally okayed the 13 gr of 20/28 recipes, also stated 13.5 gr would be okay, but cautioned me about going up to 14 gr even though that is a posted Herco amount. The components that Marcum posts above are consistent with their information on the Alliant website except I didn't see one with 13.5 gr. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:54 pm 
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Alliant said 13 gr. of 20/28 in the WWCF 28 ga. hull when I asked the question. My favorite powder is Universal and I have stuffed 13 gr.of it into every 28 ga. hull known to man. They all went bang, some better than others.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:40 am 
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My bushing throws 12.9; works well for me in old CF with pink CB wads. What is the 20/28 "sweet spot" for CF &/or HS Win 20ga? Don't have notes in front of me, but my early attempts have seemed a bit harsh (and I am coming from pretty stout WSF load).

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:59 pm 
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BigCreekMI wrote:
What is the 20/28 "sweet spot" for CF &/or HS Win 20ga?

Veering off topic...but for 20ga I use this one and it's a target-smasher:

http://tinyurl.com/2bd5gl9


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:19 pm 
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Shoot2reload wrote:
BigCreekMI wrote:
What is the 20/28 "sweet spot" for CF &/or HS Win 20ga?

Veering off topic...but for 20ga I use this one and it's a target-smasher:

http://tinyurl.com/2bd5gl9



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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:52 am 
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Yikes; SORRY. Not so much a veer; maybe drifted over centerline for a moment. Thanks, Erik

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:10 pm 
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I stumbled across this post last night, been searching for this for about a month. Emailed alliant over 2 weeks ago and haven't heard back yet. If anybody has used the 20/28 in the cf hulls how did it work out? I'm a little nervous shooting tubes, don't want too much pressure.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:28 pm 
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Yes, this is an old thread, but the info is always worth resurrecting, as Alliant refuses to publish what they'll freely pass along with a simple phone call:

With the 28ga cfAA you can load between 13.0 and 13.5gr 20/28. Presumably this is with a Win 209 primer and WAA28 (or clone).

I've shot plenty of these @ 13.0gr in my Brileys. They're a winner in my book.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:47 pm 
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Thank you! I'll start reloading those old CF's, can't stand for them to go to waste. I "accidentally" bought a couple bags of blue pcs that are supposed to be for the CF's and wear those hulls out. Thanks again! Gary S


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:33 pm 
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This is perfect timing to resurrect an old thread because I'm just beginning to reload 28 gauge for the first time and I've been furiously searching for good recipes for the old Winchester AA CF hulls. I inherited about 500 of these hulls, a bag of Remington PT-28 wads and a MEC reloader. So...naturally I went out and bought a 28 gauge (I didn't inherit that). Anyhow, I was wanting to load 20/28 or Pro Reach to about 1250-1300 fps range. I can order different wads if necessary but I'd rather use what I have if possible. I can't find any 20/28 locally but I do have Longshot, Universal, Pro Reach and Unique here at the house.

I would sure appreciate it if someone could offer up some good 1250-1300 fps loads for the old Winchester AA CF hulls.

Thanks for the help.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:42 am 
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In my Lyman book for the cf hulls in 28 ga unique 12.5 gr with a waa28 wad is 1125 fps 9000 psi
12.0 gr pc blue wad is 1130 fps at 9200 psi
Universal 12.0 waa28 wad 1167 fps at 9700 psi
Longshot 13.0 gr waa28 wad 1190 fps at 10300 psi

All win209 primers for all above published data. It shows data using the pt28 wads but with different powders. I'm assuming that the wads are interchangeable but maybe someone that knows for sure will comment.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:06 pm 
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Incidentally, and slightly off topic... but Hodgdon still lists plenty of loads for the 28 gauge compression-formed hulls using their powders, (and of course the old pink wads), but since Claybuster still makes the old-style wads, I use 'em for regularly for my supply of old "original" AAs.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:28 pm 
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I have a jug of 20/28 I'm going try shoot2reloads recipe with pc blue wads with cf hulls I got recently


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:58 pm 
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I will ask to be inlighted. Why go over 1200 fps? I have loaded 13.0grs of 20/28 in AA28HS hulls with AA28Hs wads, W209 primers, 3/4oz shot for a listed 1200fps and they work great. I was cautioned that the 28ga patterns will suffer if loaded over 1200fps. With a PT28 1250fps is listed with a tad more powder.
Now I am loading a 410 and velocity (1250-1300fps) seems to be the patterns best friend.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:10 pm 
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You're right...28ga doesn't really need to be hot-rodded to perform well. .410 is another story.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:22 am 
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As to why I am looking for 1250 fps and 1300fps loads, it is because I like to check out several different loads in my guns to see which performs and patterns the best in that individual gun. It's part of the beauty of reloading and also makes me look busy so that my wife doesn't find things for me to do, haha. I've tested 1200 fps loads and 1300 fps loads through this gun at 20 yards and 30 yards. The patterns were very close for each load at each distance. This got me thinking that I might be able to load a good 1300fps shell that I could use in field loads and longer range sporting clays. I'm not trying to magnum-ize the soft shooting 28 gauge, just exploring my options. I think 1200 fps is probably acceptable for skeet, although my standard 12 gauge load is 1oz at 1290fps and I shoot it at everything through all my guns. BTW, my 28 gauge is a Remington 11-48 vent rib with a 25" barrel and fixed modified choke, made in 1954. I have a call and email in to Alliant requesting load information for the Winchester AA compression formed hulls. I'll post when I hear back from them. Until then, if anyone has Pro Reach or 20/28 recipes for the Winchester AA compression formed hulls I would like to see them. Thanks!




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