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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:25 pm 
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If you ever shot the Winchester Sporting Clays 3/4 oz. 28s listed as 1300 fps, you will find that they work very nicely WITHOUT PATTERN DEGRADATION. At least in MY 28s, using a variety of choke tubes.

Most of my handloads for both ol' AAs and AA-HS run about 1225 - 1250 fps, as I simply like the recipes for them, and that's what my shot bushing drops without having to screw around.

It works for me.



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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:46 pm 
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Well, it's been two weeks now and still no reply from Alliant to either my phone message or email. I have called and I get the same automated response every time. Anybody have any other suggestions on how to contact them to get reloading information for old style 28 gauge AA compression formed hulls? Surely I can't be the only one who wants to load Alliant powders in the AA CF hulls. Any information will be greatly appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:27 am 
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Bio- look back a few posts, I posted cf load data straight out of my Lyman book right after you posted looking for data


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:32 am 
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Well for whatever it's worth, I'm through with the 13.0 load of 20/28 in AA CF cases.

I loaded up a half dozen boxes of that load and went to the Skeet field. Missed targets like I had never shot before. Took me 2 boxes to figure it out fully. The loads were quite obviously slow.

Out at 3, 4, and 5, it took a full 1-1/2 to 2 feet more lead to center the targets. The loads sounded OK, not wimpy or weak, but they certainly were slow. I reached and got my regular load of AA HS cases, loaded with 13.2 grs. 20/28 and the CB5034-28HSB wad, and everything returned to normal. Leads were normal and targets broke with authority.

I did not Chrono those loads, but they were obviously slow. I will again work with those cases, but until the load reaches approx. 1225 FPS, I won't be loading any multiple boxes.

I have loaded the 28 ga. to 1220-1225 FPS range for years, and had very good luck with them, and they pattern superbly from my gun with .004 to .005 extended chokes in Briley tubes. So, that speed will be the benchmark for all future reloads in 28 ga. NO Exceptions.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:52 am 
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Can anyone provide some chrono data for 20/28 in AA28cf hull?


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:49 pm 
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I just loaded 200 or so of them up I'm going to try this Saturday. I'm dropping about 13.2 of the 20/28 in the cf cases, I'll keep the extra 11/2 in mind, but then again it'll be a good excuse for missing! Let me know what you figure out if you test some more with the 20/28 in the CF's, I'll post my experience after I shoot this weekend
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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:40 pm 
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Thanks, Gary! Yep, that is the load info I was looking for with 20/28 powder. Interestingly enough, 13.0gr and 13.5gr are the same amount of powder used for the AA HS hull with the Claybuster AA HS wad. I'll be baling hay most of the weekend but I may have a chance to load some up Sunday night. If I do, I'll take a few out and chronograph them and post the info.

I'm still looking for a Pro Reach load using the old AA CF hulls. It makes me wonder if the Pro Reach load data would similarly translate from the AA HS hulls and wad to the AA CF hulls and wad. I guess I'll find out from Alliant if they ever respond back to me.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:15 am 
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biologicole wrote:
If I do, I'll take a few out and chronograph them and post the info.


Please do. I would be appreciative of your effort and interested in your results.

I'm wondering just how much of a change in velocity it would take to produce a 1 1/2 to 2 feet change in a skeet lead.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
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For grins ( and no other logical reason than that) I bought 4 boxes of the
low noise/low recoil AA 20g. 980fps- Worst round of skeet in 2 years.
Missing the outgoing ones the most. Never again, sticking in the 1250fps range with everything now.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:34 pm 
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I shot 4 rounds with 13.2 gr of 20/28 in cf hulls with win 209 and pc blue wads, I'm really happy with them. Really clean and they shot great, didn't have to add lead. I'm going to load them till I wear those CF's out.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:48 pm 
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Garyspringr wrote:
I shot 4 rounds with 13.2 gr of 20/28 in cf hulls with win 209 and pc blue wads, I'm really happy with them. Really clean and they shot great, didn't have to add lead. I'm going to load them till I wear those CF's out.


That's what I was going to try next. The loads I had that were slow were marked 13.0, but I'm doubting that as being correct, because 13.2 works wonderfully in the HS cases, and it doesn't really stand to reason that the CF would be that slow with the 13.0 load. Wish I still had some to cut open and weigh, however I don't.

At any rate I'm going to load a few at 13.2 and chrono them to see just what they are running. I have a lot of CF hulls left, and I need to find a good load for them using 20/28, which is my powder of choice now for the 28 ga.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:33 pm 
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Yeah DL, I loved them at 13.2 in my CF's. I need to get some more new shot and load a bunch up. I really like that powder too, it was really clean. I have quite a few CF's to burn up before I shoot my factory hs shells I bought. If you get a chance to post the chrono results I'm kind of curious to see what they are doing, thanks Gary S


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:25 pm 
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OK, I got some loaded and ran them through the chronograph. Here is the load info and the fps numbers. They were shot through a 28 gauge Remington 11-48 with a 25" barrel with a fixed modified choke.

The average over 15 shots was 1226.5 fps. The adjusted average (I threw out the high and low) is 1225.8 fps. The extreme spread was 112 fps. the adjusted spread was 72 fps.

I suspect that the three lowest fps shots were the three that I poured out and weighed, because I spilled a little powder trying to pour it back in the hull. So, if I throw out the three lowest fps shots (due to operator error) and the two highest fps shots (due to whatever) -- we end up with a 10 shot adjusted average of 1228.9 fps with an extreme adjusted spread of 40 fps.

No matter how I slice it, it all comes up to around a 1225 fps load.

Load:
Winchester AA compression form hull
Winchester 209 primer
13.1 grains Alliant 20/28 powder
Claybuster CB1034-28 wad
3/4 ounce #8 lead shot

Chronograph fps:

1246, 1287, 1229, 1216, 1208, 1257, 1225, 1175, 1192, 1226, 1194, 1208, 1264, 1232, 1239


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:14 pm 
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Great report. That was what I had hoped would be the result.

I have a couple of boxes loaded with 13.2 20/28, and PC blues, which I will chrono as well as shoot a round on Wednesday while at the range. It will be interesting if these turn out to be the desired velocity.

Makes me wonder about the load I had previously. They were marked 13.0 grains, which shouldn't have been too far off speed, but were very obviously so. Go figure.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:25 am 
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Well, the Winchester 28 ga. sporting clays loads are advertised at 1300 fps, and they come in 7 1/2s and (my personal favorite) 8 1/2s. They break birds well, and crisply, too. They pattern VERY well, too.

Do you need the speed? Well, truthfully, not really. I suppose I could get along without it. But it DOES get me an extra "X" or two on the scoresheet every time I use 'em.

And since Hodgdon has recipes for BOTH types of AAs, I use their powders with good results. So with my CF AAs I do load the 1250 fps recipe, and my AA HS with the 1275 fps recipe, both with longshot. It works, and very well.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:07 am 
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BobK...Longshot powder! I needed 28's for a shoot and loaded them on a friends loader set for Longshot and it was an awesome load.

I am going to load out this jug of 20/28 and go to Longshot for the 28...Fell in love with that nice snappy load and the smoke coming off the birds....just seems to hit harder.

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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:28 pm 
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OK, I tried another reload and think I came up with a winner. I used the same components as before (Win AA CF hulls, Win 209 primer, CB1034-28 wads and Alliant 20/28 powder) except I bumped up the powder from 13.1gr to 13.4gr. I chronographed 10 of these and came out to a 1250 fps average exactly. The spread was from1235 fps to 1266 fps with the majority falling in the 1240 to 1260 range, and three of them being 1250 exactly. I loaded 100 more and took them out this weekend and they shot spectacularly. Good solid breaks and enough energy to break long shots at about 35-40 yards. BTW, I also switched guns. I bought a new CZ Wingshooter and love it. The old 11-48 is now for sale.


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:54 pm 
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D L Marcum wrote:
Contacted Alliant sometime back, about this and was given this load:

AA CF Hull
W-209 or Fio Primer
13.5 grs. 20/28
WAA 28 wad or clone thereof
3/4 oz. shot
Est. velocity was 1200 to 1225 FPS

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What did they say the pressure would be on this load?


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:30 am 
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I know this is an old post , but has anyone ever had this load pressure tested. Set this up 2yrs ago to drop 13.0 to 13.1 and was dropping just fine. Now reloading for the upcoming shooting season. I am finding the drops are 13.3 to 13.5. Same lot of powder, nothing has changed except a little colder in the basement. Any thoughts or help is appreciated. Tom


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 Post subject: Re: AA old style 28 Ga Hulls and 20/28 powder ?????
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:57 am 
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As I stated above Alliant gave me the 13.5 load. Since then I have loaded untold numbers of CF hulls with 13.3 grains of 20/28. Not one single problem with them, and all were shot thru Briley tubes. I think there's a lot of worry about nothing.



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