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 Post subject: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:16 pm 
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Opinions, please? What say you for under $60? Thanks...



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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:26 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:29 pm 
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Get a MEC 600Jr.
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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
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Too much "feel" in the process, save your money a little longer and buy any other single stage.



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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:39 pm 
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bullshit, the new Lee Load-All II is a great little simple machine to use. All this F'in snobbery from the peanut gallery. I also have a MEC 600 Jr. gathering dust. The LLA2 is very slick and easy to use...

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:43 pm 
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BS Slugo - you're too new to this party. I had one of those over 35 years ago - was a POS then just like today. You have zero adjustability for anything. A gently used MEC jr. can be had for ab out the same money and will produce ammo that is better

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:45 pm 
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Slugo has been reloading for all of about a month, so take that into consideration. Do you want a toy or a tool?

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:47 pm 
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Go ahead and get one, then you'll get something else and realize who was right.

I've still got one just to remind me how stupid I could get.

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
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this party is hardly made up of Einsteins. I've been around mechanical equipment all my life. You actually think you need an MBA to reload. Get serious...

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
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Slugo wrote:
this party is hardly made up of Einsteins. I've been around mechanical equipment all my life. You actually think you need an MBA to reload. Get serious...


Did you work on your mechanical equipment with Harbor Freight tools?

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:51 pm 
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oregunner wrote:
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this party is hardly made up of Einsteins. I've been around mechanical equipment all my life. You actually think you need an MBA to reload. Get serious...


Did you work on your mechanical equipment with Harbor Freight tools?

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no, but I understand you almost received your GED from them. Maybe next time...

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
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This is more Fisher-Price than Harbor Freight!

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
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Slugo reloading threads below. You be the judge. You know you are losing the argument when you resort to name calling. Like someone trying to justify the purchase of a new $500 O/U. Mark

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:23 pm 
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You folks are real pieces of work. I actually had a Lee about 20 years ago and it worked fine for my hunting needs. One of the things I have to consider is that I need a 16 ga. tool...
In closing: never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty and the pig likes it.

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
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Slugo

Nice picture of a new spotless Lee. You load those AA's on it?? Damn clean for loading 7 shells.

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
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Gary O wrote:
You folks are real pieces of work. I actually had a Lee about 20 years ago and it worked fine for my hunting needs. One of the things I have to consider is that I need a 16 ga. tool...
In closing: never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty and the pig likes it.



Sounds like your mind was made up before you posted your question and all you wanted to do was stir the pot.



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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
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Steve Y wrote:
Slugo

Nice picture of a new spotless Lee. You load those AA's on it?? Damn clean for loading 7 shells.

Steve



OK. I'm out...

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:35 pm 
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Here’s a few things to consider: Lee uses pot metal where other manufacturers use steel or aluminum. Lee uses plastic where other manufacturers use aluminum. Paying $60 for a new shot shell reloading tool is like paying $75 for a self defense handgun. This is not snobbery – this is fact – you get what you pay for and MEC is towards the lower end of the reloading equipment price spectrum. I’m not saying everyone should use a Spolar or PW press for every gauge they shoot but the Lee Load-all is the Easybake oven of the reloading industry – with apologies to Tyco.

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:39 pm 
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I should have this memorized, but I don't. I'm sure I'll forget something, the human mind tends to gloss over and forget very unpleasant things. But here goes.

Lee Load All, Why Do I Loathe Thee, Let Me Count The Ways!

Listed more or less in the order of operation.

The plastic base wears where the connecting arms fit in the holes and they soon become elongated and the circlips tend to pop off and the arms fall out.

The plastic base tends to "flex" or bend downward when de-priming a hull with a stuck primer. This causes the base of the hull to bend downward and become concave.

The ring re-sizer is a flat out pain to use. Pick it up, put it on the hull, move the hull to the re-prime/ring removal station. It requires excessive force to remove the ring and insert the new primer in the hull as compared to a real reloading machine. It's also very slow.

Establishing a new load with an LLA is a real pain. Changing the bushings with the powder/shot hoppers full is a novel exercise. With a lot of experience and a little luck this can be managed with minimal shot/powder spillage, but I strongly recommend you begin this process while well rested. It WILL try you patience.

That brings us to unloading the shot/powder hoppers. Two ways to do this. Either: 1 - dismount the whole reloader from the bench, 2 - lift the cover from the hoppers, 3 - cover one hopper with a piece of cardboard, 4 - dump the uncovered hopper in the appropriate container, 5 - then dump the other hopper in the appropriate container. Or: 1 - Disconnect the arms from the hoppers, 2 - Lift hoppers from center post (being careful not to let the big spring get away), follow instructions from #2 above.

But let's assume that you have established a good load, you have the correct bushings, powder and shot in the machine, and proceed from there.

You insert the hull under the drop tube, drop the powder, insert the wad, drop the shot and then move the filled hull to the crimping station.

Here the fun begins again. The LLA has a 6 point and an 8 point pre-crimping station. If you ever have to use the one in the rear, it's practically impossible to see what you are doing. But let's assume that you will only use the front pre-crimping die. The pre-crimp die is fixed and does not rotate, that means that you must "index" the hull exactly right, so that the pre-crimp die hits the hull perfectly in the "fold" of the factory crimp. Otherwise you get nasty looking crimps that may not even hold the shot in the hull.

But let's assume you have mastered this art and move on to the final crimp station.

There are NO adjustments on an LLA. You will screw up any number of hulls before you get the knack of using just the correct amount of pressure on the handle to crimp the hull perfectly.

And compared to any other single stage machine I know of, the LLA is SLOW.

Now note, I did not say that you cannot reload hulls on an LLA. Slugo posted some photos of very nicely crimped shells that he loaded on the machine. What I said was that I intensely dislike the machine and I gave my reasons.

My then 12 year old Grandson, when he used my MEC 600 Jr., sold his practically new LLA for $20 and bought a MEC. He had to pay for it by cutting grass all one summer. But he told me it was the smartest move he ever made.

But let me go even further. My niece has a Mattel Easy Bake Oven. She made me a very tasty chocolate chip cookie in it. But that does not mean that it is a real oven. It's a toy. But it has the very same relationship to an oven that the LLA has to a real reloading machine.

Whatever you decide, welcome to reloading and the forum. Good luck.

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 Post subject: Re: Lee Load-All?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:57 pm 
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bpraptor,

Spoken by a true veteran!!

I couldn't have put it any better!!

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