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 Post subject: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:52 pm 
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Is there any reason to use Clays instead of Titewad ,if both are available. I shoot target loads 3/4 oz to 1 1/8 oz. It appears to me that Titewad out performs Clays in that it takes less powder and at a lower price in all the above target loads. Am I not seeing something about Clays?
I load Remington hulls, Claybuster wads, and Winchester primers if that makes any difference.
I bought a few pounds of Clays and not sure if I should have. Your thoughts?




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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:57 pm 
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I have shot a lot of powders and both of those that you mentioned. I can deduce no good reason to spend more money to get Clays over Titewad as Titewad is a great performer. Just be sure that you can get the performance that you want with 1 1/8 Oz loadings. From what I can see, Clays is no better with 1 1/8 oz loadings and not as good in the lighter loadings.

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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:58 pm 
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In addition to the differences you point out, Titewad is significantly denser than Clays. Because of the price difference and the lighter charge weights, the numbers favor Titewad. It would also give you flexibility to load AAHS hulls with the same wad you are using for the Rem hulls.

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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:55 pm 
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I have probably loaded over 100 lbs of Titewad for 1 oz loads and find that the DRA12 works the best in AAHS hulls and the TGT wad works the best in Remington hulls. Yeah the DRA will work in the Remington's but the stack height is just not as good.

Both are Downrange wads.

I like you question why anyone would want Clays when Titewad is available. Cheaper and more versatile is how I would describe Titewad


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:12 am 
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Because Clays is wonderful in .45 ACP too!


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
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If you are out of powder, and only Clays is available, you don't have much choice!

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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:29 am 
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One exception: Clays has the bulk I need vs Titewad when using Euro hulls. Not enough bulk with Titewad to prevent interference with the hull's base wad and the wad's over powder cup. I believe Republican posted some pictures identifying the problem in another thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:40 am 
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For 1 ounce in AAHS I think Titewad is just about perfect: it will provide about any velocity you desire, burns very clean, meters very consistent, great stack height in AAHS, very cost effective.

For 1 1/8 in AAHS : all the above except you are limited to 1150-1200 FPS depending on the exact wad or primer.

Try either of these loads with Clays and you will be spending more and getting nothing in return. AND you will need to select a shorter wad to make it fit.

In Remington hulls I prefer something bulkier than Titewad. But, I tend to go with Promo. I shoot break open guns. I have never figured out what that extra $20-30 (Clays) a jug does for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:43 am 
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albatros wrote:
For 1 ounce in AAHS I think Titewad is just about perfect: it will provide about any velocity you desire, burns very clean, meters very consistent, great stack height in AAHS, very cost effective.

For 1 1/8 in AAHS : all the above except you are limited to 1150-1200 FPS depending on the exact wad or primer.

Try either of these loads with Clays and you will be spending more and getting nothing in return. AND you will need to select a shorter wad to make it fit.

In Remington hulls I prefer something bulkier than Titewad. But, I tend to go with Promo. I shoot break open guns. I have never figured out what that extra $20-30 (Clays) a jug does for me.
It does the same thing the extra $20-30 a jug one pays for Red Dot, it lightens your wallet.

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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:26 am 
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But at least if I really want to lighten my wallet I have more choices: IMR Red AND Red Dot. If Hodgdon wanted to make IMR Primo and sell it for about $100 a jug, I'd become a big Hodgdon fan.


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:35 am 
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Using these dense powders in Rem hulls is like the opposite of using a bulky powder in the AAHS. You need to lengthen the stack height a bit to support the crimp and keep it from dishing. I use the TGT clone, a 1 oz. wad, when using Titegroup in Rem hulls with 9/8 oz. of shot; crimps are great.

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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:40 am 
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gogetthedogs wrote:
Because Clays is wonderful in .45 ACP too!

And Titewad can't be used in .45 Auto?

Of course it can.

For clarity, I use neither powder in my pistol loading, .45Auto, 9mmP, or .380acp.

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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:27 pm 
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wrfish wrote:
Is there any reason to use Clays instead of Titewad ,if both are available.


Not that I can tell. Switched to Titewad when I couldn't get Clays and don't plan to switch back.

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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:27 pm 
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I suppose if you get a deal on Clays that beats Titewad, it's all good.

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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
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I use Clays in 12 gauge 7/8 oz. loads and would not use anything else unless it is impossible to get. It's clean, consistent, and shoots great.


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:38 pm 
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I also like Clays so well that I will not try switching to Titewad to hope it is as good and to save a couple of bucks. I got through the shortage with some Clay Dot and it was like burning coal compared to Clays.


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:05 pm 
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So, you did not like Clay Dot as well as Clays, and because of that, you will not try Titewad? Well, okay. A lot of people have actually tried Titewad and were quite hapoy with it. You KNOW a powder you have not tried won't work- Wow!


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:11 pm 
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Some of us do not have to constantly chase the Unicorn Of Newness albatros.

I have never bought a single pound of Titewad, or Claydot, or anything Vectan other than SP#2, and at this time, I have no intention of buying any of the above.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:36 pm 
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It is probably cold in Nebraska.


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 Post subject: Re: Titewad vs Clays
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:52 pm 
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albatros wrote:
So, you did not like Clay Dot as well as Clays, and because of that, you will not try Titewad? Well, okay. A lot of people have actually tried Titewad and were quite happy with it. You KNOW a powder you have not tried won't work- Wow!


It was explained to me in this manner one time. Different scenario but yet the same regardless of circumstances.
"My mind is made up, and I refuse to be confused by the facts."

As long as you remember that, many things suddenly make more sense than ever before. :roll:



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