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 Post subject: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:05 am 
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Is any one loading 3/4 oz loads with universal. If so, what formula are you using?




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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:18 am 
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Hodgdon lists Universal as a powder for 7/8 and light 7/8 oz loads in 20 gauge. http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/
You could contact them about using 3/4 oz of shot instead. http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/contact

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:22 am 
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gwedel wrote:
Is any one loading 3/4 oz loads with universal. If so, what formula are you using?


I did. I sometimes use the same powder drop as I used for a 7/8 ounce load, ~15.5 grains. Other times I dropped a bushing. I didn't notice much difference in performance between the two loads.

I use the 3/4 ounce Claybuster wad when I have them, otherwise a Puffed Rice kernel over a AA-20 Claybuster clone wad.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:22 am 
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I use ~16 of Universal in GC hulls with the CB green 3/4oz wad. Works just fine, velocity yesterday was about 1235 over the chrono

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:50 pm 
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I don't, but can say International makes a fabulous 3/4 oz load in STS with CB green wad.

In regards to "safe", one can always drop the payload and sub or shim the appropriate wad for stack height.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:34 pm 
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gwedel wrote:
Is any one loading 3/4 oz loads with universal. If so, what formula are you using?

~15.5 grains, CB 3/4 oz wad in a Gun club. Cycles my 100 perfectly. Awesome load !

Even better (for me) is about ~16.8-17.2 grains in a Federal Top gun hull with same wad and payload, but by favorite in that hull is to use 7/8th's oz w/ an Orange duster. That way I don't have to worry about picking up the hulls.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:39 am 
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If you use 20/28 or better yet, Green Dot, you will use a couple of grains less powder for an equal 3/4 oz. load. That's generally accepted as "more economical", and they break clays just fine!

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:05 am 
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Found some GD at a Gander closing for $15/lb so will be trying it for 20 gauge. Wish it had some published data for 9mm and 38 as well...........

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:49 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
Found some GD at a Gander closing for $15/lb so will be trying it for 20 gauge. Wish it had some published data for 9mm and 38 as well...........


They don't? Used to be a bunch. I have older manuals with 9mm and 38 special GD data.

As for 3/4oz 20g in Rem hull, 14 gr with the CB green wad is excellent.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:55 am 
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I load my 20 ga. with 14 gr. of Green Dot with Win 209 primers and the green CB wad with 3/4 oz. 8 1/2s in both Winchester AA-HS and Remington hulls. They shoot well and break sporting clays VERY well! Very little recoil, and economical, too! (Especially in 8 lb. jugs!)

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:21 pm 
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Universal and Unique both work in 3/4 ounce loads. Personally, I favor green dot and international clays for my 3/4 loads. I use a 1 grain (GD) to 2 grains (Int'l) less powder, and get solid performance. It helps that I have a lot of both powders, I can reserve my 20/28 for my 7/8s loads.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:43 pm 
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There are a number of powders that work well in 20 ga. 3/4oz loads. 15.5 grs Unique, or Universal, or 20/28 works nicely with the CB1075-20 wad, in either AA or Remington hulls.

International and Green Dot also work well in those loads. 14.0 to 14.5 grs is max on those loads using G.D., and 13.0 to 13.5 is Max if using International.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:16 pm 
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D L Marcum wrote:
There are a number of powders that work well in 20 ga. 3/4oz loads. 15.5 grs Unique, or Universal, or 20/28 works nicely with the CB1075-20 wad, in either AA or Remington hulls.

International and Green Dot also work well in those loads. 14.0 to 14.5 grs is max on those loads using G.D., and 13.0 to 13.5 is Max if using International.

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Ummmm...not per Hodgdon

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:31 pm 
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Jager1 wrote:
D L Marcum wrote:
There are a number of powders that work well in 20 ga. 3/4oz loads. 15.5 grs Unique, or Universal, or 20/28 works nicely with the CB1075-20 wad, in either AA or Remington hulls.

International and Green Dot also work well in those loads. 14.0 to 14.5 grs is max on those loads using G.D., and 13.0 to 13.5 is Max if using International.

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Ummmm...not per Hodgdon


Well OK 13.0 to 13.2. However, the pressures are low enough that an extra .3 of powder wouldn't affect anything.

We are talking AA and Rem cases here. This has nothing to do with straight wall cases, which would accept a bit larger powder drops. However, there is NO correct 3/4 oz. wad for use in the straight walls either.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:04 pm 
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D L Marcum wrote:
Jager1 wrote:
D L Marcum wrote:
There are a number of powders that work well in 20 ga. 3/4oz loads. 15.5 grs Unique, or Universal, or 20/28 works nicely with the CB1075-20 wad, in either AA or Remington hulls.

International and Green Dot also work well in those loads. 14.0 to 14.5 grs is max on those loads using G.D., and 13.0 to 13.5 is Max if using International.

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Well OK 13.0 to 13.2. However, the pressures are low enough that an extra .3 of powder wouldn't affect anything.

We are talking AA and Rem cases here. This has nothing to do with straight wall cases, which would accept a bit larger powder drops. However, there is NO correct 3/4 oz. wad for use in the straight walls either.

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Per Hodgdon: to 14.9 in Rem hull and 14 in AA (winchester primers).

Not calling anyone out, just know I run 14 in Rem hulls and it had a bit of headroom.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
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All my quotes are from Hodgdons printed load book. If the Website shows different, then so be it.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:39 pm 
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Universal was "Ok", but that was "so yesterday". For ¾ oz, you can't beat 14.5 grains of A1:

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:39 am 
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The attraction of Universal fo me is that I load handgun loads with it ad if I could use it for all my 20 gauge too I would buy a big jug of it. Not any published handgun loads for 20/28 though I am told some people load it in handguns.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:45 pm 
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Bill M. wrote:
The attraction of Universal fo me is that I load handgun loads with it ad if I could use it for all my 20 gauge too I would buy a big jug of it. Not any published handgun loads for 20/28 though I am told some people load it in handguns.


Most shotshell powders double as pistol powders, but ya, some don't have much/any printed data. Seems as the mfg's introduce "new" powders (we have many more choices than we once did) they don't test the full utility (sell more/different powders...hey it's marketing). Both of those are in the burn range of Unique. 20/28 is rather dense.

International, Greendot, SuperHandicap (basically identical burn rates with Handicap being very dense in comparison) are a bit faster and hence more efficient (less charge weight). If you don't load enough to justify a big jug for each then a big jug of Universal would return some of the economy you lost by efficiency.

Someone above said Greendot didn't have pistol data, but older printed data I have has a bunch. Though I tend to use mfg's most current data (website) as a primary, older printed data is nice to have on hand to support web data or provide additional data.

Good luck and if a grain or 2 difference isn't a big deal for your application you should be happy.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal for 20 gauge 3/4 oz loads
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:42 am 
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Back at the height of the powder shortage I had a chat with Ben Amonette of Alliant at the Grand. He said:
He had not tested them all but he suspected there was not a single so called "shotgun powder" they made for which he could not go out to the ballistics lab and develop some pretty darned good pistol loads." He also said "shotgun powder" and pistol powder are either the same or so similar that they are manufactured by the same process on the same equipment. A spike in demand for Federal pistol ammo means a lot of our shotgun powder production capacity gets used up making pistol powder for Federal."




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