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 Post subject: Red Dot and 209M magnum primers
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:33 am 
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hello all,

normally just a lurker here but cant find what I'm looking for data wise and hoping someone with a few more books or a loaddata.com account can help me out...

a while back I screwed up and grabbed a brick of CCI 209M primers instead of plain 209's
they were on sale for $22 and I couldn't help myself. never noticed they were magnums till weeks later organizing some shelves...

looking for a:

rem nitro / gun club
1oz
Red Dot
TGT/DRRT or other clones
with the 209M.

if anyone could point me towards a published load or any sort that would be great... don't really wanna go down the just drop a grain road with this one...

thanks in advance!
KC




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 Post subject: Re: Red Dot and 209M magnum primers
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:35 am 
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If you look at loads similar to what you want to use but with the Federal 209A and find some in the 9-10 K PSI range subbing in that 209M should be fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Dot and 209M magnum primers
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How much speed are you looking for?

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 Post subject: Re: Red Dot and 209M magnum primers
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:34 pm 
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You are looking for a printed recipe for your components and using a CCI-209M primer.

Well that PRINTED recipe doesn't exist.

However your components in a 1 oz load, using 17.0 grs Red Dot will yield very acceptable chamber pressures. I would not hesitate to use that load.

Your other alternative is to send the load off and have it tested.

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 Post subject: Re: Red Dot and 209M magnum primers
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:34 pm 
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looking for around 1200 fps...

think I got it figured out, after some more digging and researching I decided to swap over to a stash of federal hulls and some cb4100-12B wads laying around I want to burn up anyway... I should have enough wads to burn up all but 200 of the 209M primers.

the load I used was

federal GM hull
my bushing threw 19.0-19.1gr of red dot
cb4100-12 wads
cci 209M

claybuster claims
FED 209A Red Dot 18 1200 8000
FED 209A Red Dot 19.5 1250 8800
FED 209A Red Dot 20.5 1300 9400

so 19gr I feel pretty safe with the substitution...
I loaded a handful tonite to test out this week before making a big mistake.

thanks for the help guys!


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 Post subject: Re: Red Dot and 209M magnum primers
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:16 am 
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In the printed Alliant manual, I see a 1 oz., 20 gr., Red Dot Load using the CC! 209M primer in a Rem hull. It is a 1310 fps load showing 10,300 psi of pressure. It uses a Rem R12L wad, which is a 1 oz. Power Piston style wad. I think you would be OK backing the powder down to 17.5-18 gr and using your TGT wads instead. I understand the R12L has a shorter crush section than the TGT and the reason this load calls for this wad probably is to shorten the stack height so that 20 gr. of Red Dot will fit.

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 Post subject: Red Dot and 209M magnum primers
PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:41 pm 
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Just toss 17gr red dot in them (rem hulls) and hit the patterning board/chrono. No way you will be anywhere close to max pressure. If its too fast or the pattern is blown, back down to 16.5 and so on. You are very safe "working" on that load as long as you don't push it and try for a speed demon load.


Edit: i see you found a load. That will be a fine substitution, you wont be anywhere close to a dangerous load, it wont even hit 9k psi.




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