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 Post subject: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:03 pm 
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I have previously loaded some Compression formed Win AA hulls "NOT HS" and did fine using the Claybuster CB5050-410 HS wads.

Now I am attempting to load "HS" hulls using the same wad and after seating the wad the wad will pop up out of the hull when I raise the charging handle.

I see in the reloading manual you can't use WAA410HS wads in compression formed hulls.
But this Claybuster CB5050-410 HS wad is labeled to replace about every 410 wad in existence.

I started out with almost no pressure on the wad and have bumped it up to near 50 lbs of wad pressure and the wad still wants to pop out.

Help please.



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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 12:30 am 
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The HS has slightly less volume than the old CF hull did, even though it wasn't SUPPOSED to have, it does.

You're going to have to change wads.

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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:07 am 
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Well the bottom outer edge of the drop tube was a little rough and may have been catching on the wad and pulling it out. I polished it up and seems to have helped quite a bit.
Thank you.
Now I'm guessing I need to switch to 8 or 9 shot instead of 7 1/2 to keep the dropped charge from backing up in the tube.
Hoping to get this (new to me) .410 loading down soon.

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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:24 am 
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I use that same wad with both types of hulls with great success.

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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:38 am 
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Get the CB 5050-410 HS (red) wad, and your problems will be solved.

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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:45 am 
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wannagohunting wrote:
Now I'm guessing I need to switch to 8 or 9 shot instead of 7 1/2 to keep the dropped charge from backing up in the tube.



Polish the ID of the tube also and check the mouth of the tube for a "lip" caused by the chrome slagging down the ID during the chroming process. If there, remove it.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:56 pm 
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JacksBack wrote:
Get the CB 5050-410 HS (red) wad, and your problems will be solved.

He said he is already using that wad:

wannagohunting wrote:
I have previously loaded some Compression formed Win AA hulls "NOT HS" and did fine using the Claybuster CB5050-410 HS wads.

Now I am attempting to load "HS" hulls using the same wad and after seating the wad the wad will pop up out of the hull when I raise the charging handle.



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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:22 pm 
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AS STATED ABOVE, I have two MEC loaders for 410's. I had to hone a bevel on the end of the ram tube so the wads would stay put. The other was fine with the wads I use for 3" hulls but I touched it up as well. They work fine now and since these are manual size masters I slow things down which helps a bit too.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:29 pm 
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To keep the dropped shot charge from backing up in the tube, move the charge bar slowly. It wont bridge then.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:44 pm 
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And raise the drop tube about 1/2” above the seated wad before you drop the shot

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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:20 pm 
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I've had my share of frustration with the 410, so much so I just buy my ammo and my MEC sizemaster sits in the corner. Also sold my 410 so no need to buy ammo either.

When you find out what the issue is, let us know.

I've also had my share of grief with wads, had some that wouldn't seal the powder, got a partial blooper and ringed the barrel in my 16. Some wads are so tight that they have small vents on the sides of the powder seal, so as not to trap air when seating the wad. This is an issue with new hulls, 1F are rough enough so that the air seal isn't as good.

With 410 I had to polish the decapper to prevent pulling the brass off the shell.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:28 pm 
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And raise the drop tube about 1/2” above the seated wad before you drop the shot
Great advice. I forgot this one.


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 Post subject: Re: 410 Loading problem?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:54 am 
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If a wad does not fall off the tube/ram when up that is the issue. The tightest wad I use is the REM SP410 and my favorit next is the AA410-HS in the 3" HS hulls. I have to use the CB505HS for loading the 2 1/2" Hulls for proper stack high. I load on two size masters so if using a progressive loader you may other issues unique to them. Wads I have used are AA410HS, SP410, SP410-3", & CB5050HS. Hulls are SP410-3", AA410HS, Super X-HS-3", Fed GM410.




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