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 Post subject: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:10 pm 
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is anyone out there using 800x to reload their 20 gauge rems and win hulls ?
when the charge bar on a mec goes to pick up powder do you hold it there and tap the bottle a couple of times befor returning to make the powder drop ?
if you do use 800x are you happy with the reloads and do they have a consistant ignition ?
thanks for any info , dan




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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:45 pm 
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I use it in 28 and like it. I load on a P-W. I am sure others will be along but I think most have poor results with it in a MEC.


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:35 pm 
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riflegunbuilder wrote:
I think most have poor results with it in a MEC.

Amen, brother. I suffered through 8lbs of the stuff and won't ever do it again. To get consistent drops, I had to pull the hull out of the Grabber and drop the powder with an RCBS powder measure. When I got the powder drop right, it made terrific shells.


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:55 pm 
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I was loading 28ga using a Mec 650 and got really poor powder drops - all over the place. I called Mec and was told because such a small bushing is being used for 28ga with 800X, a progressive press should not be used. He said a singe stage would be ok because the bushing has time to fill. Seeing how all I had was the 650 I just held the handle down and rapped the powder bottle - problem solved. But, I don't buy 800X anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:13 pm 
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Ballistically it performs fine. Realistically, it is a Royal PITA. Meters about like Cow Patties.

You will be very hard pressed to beat Alliant's 20/28 as an all around powder for those gauges, followed by Hodgdon's Universal, and lastly Alliant's Unique.

I certainly would NOT recommend 800X for use in the 20 or 28 gauges.

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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:38 pm 
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I had the same poor results on my Apex. Many bloopers (compounded with the Versalite clone wad).
Doubt it would improve with the Mec.

Prolly work OK in a single stage. I always bumped the handle a few times on my old Texan single stage. Loved it on peppy 12g rounds back then.

Traded some to a local during the great powder shortage and he loved it on his 20g Spolar. So....????

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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:20 pm 
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Having never tried 800x, I appreciate threads like this!

Thank you for allowing me to learn at the price of your frustrations.

I'll continue on with 20/28


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:10 pm 
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i appreciate all the responses . the reason for this question was way back when winchester eliminated 473 powder i really didn't find a replacement that i liked . i did have favorable notes on 800x but also had notes that i had to tap the powder bottle to get consistant drops of powder .
so once again starting to look for a very mild load and i was going thru my notes and i know they are probably 30 yrs young or more , and was considering trying 800x again .
Vette Jockey wrote:
Seeing how all I had was the 650 I just held the handle down and rapped the powder bottle - problem solved.

same here with my notes . took forever to reload a hundred .
D L Marcum wrote:
You will be very hard pressed to beat Alliant's 20/28

have never tried it , may have to give it a try .
thanks to all . dan


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:43 pm 
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Just finished 4# 800 thru a 600 , metered ok with a 24 bushing & performance was good.
800 did seem a little bulky though. & seems a bit temp sensitive as it`s coolin down here a bit I lost
almost 50 fps.

I`ll purchase 20/28 on my next powder run, it measures smoother ,more consistent & seems to fit better in gun clubs, premier & AAs.

GP


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:45 pm 
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Never made it thru 1# with my MEC 600 Jr Mark V.
Dumped it.


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:04 pm 
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20/28 is a great choice.WSF works very well in AAHS but is so dense that crimps tend to dish on Remington.


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:13 pm 
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GP100man wrote:
Just finished 4# 800 thru a 600 , metered ok with a 24 bushing & performance was good.
800 did seem a little bulky though. & seems a bit temp sensitive as it`s coolin down here a bit I lost
almost 50 fps.

I`ll purchase 20/28 on my next powder run, it measures smoother ,more consistent & seems to fit better in gun clubs, premier & AAs.

GP


If you have not yet done so, I think you should try Green Dot. I find that it is readily available, reasonable in price and economical for loads using no more than 12.5 grains. Here are some loads and from my experience it meters consistently and burns very clean in a 28 gauge and I get perfect crimps using a PW 375.

2 3/4 Remington Plastic Shells (STS, Premier) 3/4 - 1,200 Rem 209P Green Dot PT-28 12 grs. 10,500
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2 3/4 Remington Plastic Shells (STS, Premier) 3/4 - 1,200 Rem 209P Green Dot WAA 28 12 grs. 10,300

2 3/4 Winchester AA HS 3/4 - 1,200 Win 209 Green Dot CB 5034-HS 12.5grs, 11,900


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:23 am 
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oyeme wrote:
GP100man wrote:
Just finished 4# 800 thru a 600 , metered ok with a 24 bushing & performance was good.
800 did seem a little bulky though. & seems a bit temp sensitive as it`s coolin down here a bit I lost
almost 50 fps.

I`ll purchase 20/28 on my next powder run, it measures smoother ,more consistent & seems to fit better in gun clubs, premier & AAs.

GP


If you have not yet done so, I think you should try Green Dot. I find that it is readily available, reasonable in price and economical for loads using no more than 12.5 grains. Here are some loads and from my experience it meters consistently and burns very clean in a 28 gauge and I get perfect crimps using a PW 375.

2 3/4 Remington Plastic Shells (STS, Premier) 3/4 - 1,200 Rem 209P Green Dot PT-28 12 grs. 10,500
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2 3/4 Remington Plastic Shells (STS, Premier) 3/4 - 1,200 Rem 209P Green Dot WAA 28 12 grs. 10,300

2 3/4 Winchester AA HS 3/4 - 1,200 Win 209 Green Dot CB 5034-HS 12.5grs, 11,900


He's loading 20g. I've shot a lot of Green Dot in 20g 3/4 oz, but it's no longer spec'd for 20g 7/8oz.

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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:46 am 
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I don't use it with Rem or Win hulls, but I use it for higher velocity hunting loads with Federal target hulls. I'm using an MEC sizemaster and doing 1 ounce at either 1300 or 1325 fps. I've found it to be inconsistent in the amount of powder it drops, both with the regular charge bar and bushings and also with my universal charge bar. I've gotten to the point where I just stop mid-way through a shell to measure the powder to make sure it's accurate. It's a pain, but these are also my "magnum" 20 gauge pheasant loads which I don't load that many of so it doesn't bother me too much. For the most part I stick to Blue Dot and Rem and AA hulls.


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:30 pm 
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Jager1 wrote:
I had the same poor results on my Apex. Many bloopers (compounded with the Versalite clone wad).
Doubt it would improve with the Mec.

Prolly work OK in a single stage. I always bumped the handle a few times on my old Texan single stage. Loved it on peppy 12g rounds back then.

Traded some to a local during the great powder shortage and he loved it on his 20g Spolar. So....????


I've tried it with my Spolar - no bueno.


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:34 pm 
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I just purchased an RCBS 1500 Chargemaster automatic powder dispenser. After sale and rebate it was $199 to my door. I intend to use it for metallic centerfire as well as shot shell loads that are near maximum and for powders that don’t meter consistently. I tried it today on some ProReach flake powder which is similar to 800X. Setting the machine to 30 grains, it only took a few seconds to dispense exactly 30 grains. And it will do it over and over. Call me anal, but when working at max, I’m not comfortable with +/- a grain or two. With centerfire it’s critical.

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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:28 pm 
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oyeme, I`ve run GD at 14.1 gr under a claybusters 3/4 oz wad & when it`s hot outside & a quick 25 on the trap range it lays plastic in my barrels summtin terrible . I backed it off to 13.4 gr & in rem hulls as albatross said they dish a bit, so 20/28 it is.
I have 4# of unique but my revolvers like it too much to burn it in shotshells.
Looking for a local source for Vectan A1, I`d like to try a 1# before commiting to a bulk buy.

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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:08 am 
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I trolled this thread too, Lots to learn about other powders. 20/28 and pro-reach work fine for me. Threads on Win 572 would be of interest.


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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:29 am 
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Don’t forget about WSF, also excellent in the 20 ga

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 Post subject: Re: 800 x powder and 20 gauge reloads
PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:45 am 
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It hasn't been too bad for my 7/8 oz 20 ga loads. I'm dropping 16.2 and it varies about .3 both ways through my 366. I sleep fine but will most likely move to vectan when this is gone. Bought it when beggars couldn't be choosers for powder.




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