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 Post subject: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:52 am 
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I want to order some rebuild parts for my aging MEC 9000 (new top turret, collet, etc.)

I look at Gammys for the collet, and they show an "old style" collet :

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I got my MEC 9000 about 10-11 years ago in 2006, - how do I tell which one I have ?

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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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I would check the instruction manual that came with my press and use the parts list and number in it to determine that. But mine, which is older then yours uses the 8080-12.


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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:12 am 
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Look at the cover page on the owners manual for an early Grabber ( 76 series ) and you'll see a one-piece collet closer without a separate adjuster nut.

I don't know if the collet for those is different than the current ones but that's the only thing I can think of that might make a difference.


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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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I don't believe a 9000 series press was ever built with an old style collet. All progressive presses with the adjustable collet closer use the new style collet. For 12 ga that would be a 8080-12.

Some years back, the grabbers with NON ADJUSTABLE collet closer's used the old style collets. They are much higher priced too.

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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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I don't believe a 9000 series press was ever built with an old style collet. All progressive presses with the adjustable collet closer use the new style collet. For 12 ga that would be a 8080-12.

Some years back, the grabbers with NON ADJUSTABLE collet closer's used the old style collets. They are much higher priced too.

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Agreed. IIRC there was an "old style" was for the super sizers. The "new style" is deeper for taller brass.

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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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Steve Y wrote:
I would check the instruction manual that came with my press and use the parts list and number in it to determine that.

I don't know where my original instruction manual is.

dogchaser37 wrote:
You could call MEC.

With all the wealth of MEC expertise here in this forum, why would I do that ?

D L Marcum wrote:
I don't believe a 9000 series press was ever built with an old style collet. All progressive presses with the adjustable collet closer use the new style collet. For 12 ga that would be a 8080-12.

Thanks! - that's exactly the information I was looking for. I just need to find out where to get one.

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IIRC there was an "old style" was for the super sizers. The "new style" is deeper for taller brass.

If P/N 8080 is for the "new style", then no, that isn't correct, and the Super Sizer also uses the new style :

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I can't find a 'new style' collet (8080) listed on Gammy's website, only the 'old style', and a 'set' for the Super Sizer (shown above) :

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But they are out of stock anyhow.


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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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D L Marcum wrote:
I don't believe a 9000 series press was ever built with an old style collet. All progressive presses with the adjustable collet closer use the new style collet. For 12 ga that would be a 8080-12.

Thanks! - that's exactly the information I was looking for. I just need to find out where to get one.



Gamaliels shows them in stock at $40.00


http://www.gamaliel.com/mecparts/mec_collet_hb.asp

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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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D L Marcum wrote:
I don't believe a 9000 series press was ever built with an old style collet. All progressive presses with the adjustable collet closer use the new style collet. For 12 ga that would be a 8080-12.

Thanks! - that's exactly the information I was looking for. I just need to find out where to get one.



Gamaliels shows them in stock at $40.00


http://www.gamaliel.com/mecparts/mec_collet_hb.asp

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Thanks!

I searched 3 times, and have NO idea how you found that. I searched on "MEC parts", and waded thru all of those little page numbers on the bottom THREE times and got to the end and never saw it.


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I searched 3 times, and have NO idea how you found that. I searched on "MEC parts", and waded thru all of those little page numbers on the bottom THREE times and got to the end and never saw it.



In the "enter keywords" box I entered m8080
In the "all manufactures" box I selected MEC from the drop down
hit "search"


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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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I have a 12 gauge Sizemaster and a 12 gauge 9000. Obviously the 9000 has an adjustable nut on the collet closer and the SM does not. BUT, they both use the same "new" collet.


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I have a 12 gauge Sizemaster and a 12 gauge 9000. Obviously the 9000 has an adjustable nut on the collet closer and the SM does not. BUT, they both use the same "new" collet.


Albatros,
You are forgetting that we are addressing "Progressive Presses". The above information is all about Progressive Presses.

FYI NO Sizemaster has an adjustable collet closer. Period.
Yes, the newer SM presses use the new style collet.
However the very old SM presses use the old style collet.

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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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Steve Y wrote:


Gamaliels shows them in stock at $40.00


http://www.gamaliel.com/mecparts/mec_collet_hb.asp

Steve

Did anyone else happen to notice that link was for a 10 ga collett?

Just pointing that out


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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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Steve Y wrote:


Gamaliels shows them in stock at $40.00


http://www.gamaliel.com/mecparts/mec_collet_hb.asp

Steve

Did anyone else happen to notice that link was for a 10 ga collett?

Just pointing that out


DID you click on the drop down???? You have to select which gauge. 12 ga is in stock.

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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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A little late to the party Republican, but can confirm part# 808012, (Mec#), is correct, pulled off invoice in box of a new one that got ordered last year. If You get stuck, I do have an extra one here. Believe price from Gamaliel’s is better. I got this one from Mec. Kind of pricey at $63.00 including freight.


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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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I searched 3 times, and have NO idea how you found that. I searched on "MEC parts", and waded thru all of those little page numbers on the bottom THREE times and got to the end and never saw it.



In the "enter keywords" box I entered m8080
In the "all manufactures" box I selected MEC from the drop down
hit "search"


Steve

Yeah, well, I just flat-out screwed up. It was also right there on "page 1' of all MEC parts.

I missed it because it didn't have a picture, and only a MEC logo. I got conditioned to just not even look at anything w/o a picture, and just a MEC logo, because it usually means there are out of stock on the item. I thought that was their way of signalling that an item was out of stock. Obviously that's not always the case.

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But while waiting for a response to my question, I ended up closing my browser down before ordering, so I lost everything in my shopping cart, and have to re-do everything. Oh well. $30 for bottle supports ? Seriously ?


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D L Marcum wrote:
albatros wrote:
I have a 12 gauge Sizemaster and a 12 gauge 9000. Obviously the 9000 has an adjustable nut on the collet closer and the SM does not. BUT, they both use the same "new" collet.


Albatros,
You are forgetting that we are addressing "Progressive Presses". The above information is all about Progressive Presses.

FYI NO Sizemaster has an adjustable collet closer. Period.
Yes, the newer SM presses use the new style collet.
However the very old SM presses use the old style collet.

I forgot NOTHING. The above information is not ALL about progressive presses. I am NOT the first person to address non progressive presses in this thread. Someone before me mentioned Supersizers. They are not progressive presses, they are not even reloading presses. But they do use the "new" collet which is the point I was making. This same collet is used in lots of Mec equipment. And, this same collet is used in presses with an adjustable collet closer (nut) and in presses with a non-adjustable closer. I am quite aware of that, I have Sizemasters in two gauges.


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 Post subject: Re: MEC 9000: do I have an old or "new" style collet
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D L Marcum wrote:
oldtechshooter wrote:
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Gamaliels shows them in stock at $40.00


http://www.gamaliel.com/mecparts/mec_collet_hb.asp

Steve

Did anyone else happen to notice that link was for a 10 ga collett?

Just pointing that out


DID you click on the drop down???? You have to select which gauge. 12 ga is in stock.


Doh.

Just thought it was a direct hot link to the part in question.


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A little late to the party Republican, but can confirm part# 808012, (Mec#), is correct, pulled off invoice in box of a new one that got ordered last year. If You get stuck, I do have an extra one here. Believe price from Gamaliel’s is better. I got this one from Mec. Kind of pricey at $63.00 including freight.


I'm sure Gamaliel's buys these in bulk and gets a big discount, like Walmart, but if they are making a profit on them at $40 ea, how can MEC, the source, justify their price of $63?


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oldtechshooter wrote:
longliner wrote:
A little late to the party Republican, but can confirm part# 808012, (Mec#), is correct, pulled off invoice in box of a new one that got ordered last year. If You get stuck, I do have an extra one here. Believe price from Gamaliel’s is better. I got this one from Mec. Kind of pricey at $63.00 including freight.


I'm sure Gamaliel's buys these in bulk and gets a big discount, like Walmart, but if they are making a profit on them at $40 ea, how can MEC, the source, justify their price of $63?


MEC furnishes parts as a convenience to their press owners and has some info somewhere on their site that suggests to the buyer to search elsewhere, such as their distributors, for better prices.
Look at the image below for an example.
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