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 Post subject: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:46 am 
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I got a few boxes of Federal 410 Top Gun, so I was thinking of reloading them. I know some of you guys reload the Federal 410 without a problem. Not me. Last year I reloader a few boxes and had several separate at the top of the brass. When I ejected my shell, the brass came out, and the rest of the shell must have went down range.
I reloaded them just as I do with my AA's.
16 grains of W296, Claybuster wads, 1/2 oz #9, W209 primers.
I at least would like to reload them once!
Any ideas?
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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:00 am 
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I'd recommend Alliant 300MP powder. The incidence of whistlers with Federals goes way down.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:35 am 
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The last ones that I had went into the trash. I would not use them in a repeater, and check your bore after each shot.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:13 am 
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Mike-Sid wrote:
16 grains of W296, Claybuster wads, 1/2 oz #9, W209 primers.
I at least would like to reload them once!


You will PROBABLY be able to get a single, no-zing, one-and-done load from that formula. Don't expect more. Don't spend money of other components in the hope they will do better.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:49 am 
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Bob_K wrote:
I'd recommend Alliant 300MP powder. The incidence of whistlers with Federals goes way down.


Well, that's not happening for me. I have 20 lbs of 296, and powder isn't available. I guess I'll put the empties away or give them away.
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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:30 pm 
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Mike-Sid wrote:
Bob_K wrote:
I'd recommend Alliant 300MP powder. The incidence of whistlers with Federals goes way down.


Well, that's not happening for me. I have 20 lbs of 296, and powder isn't available. I guess I'll put the empties away or give them away.
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Yeah, it makes sense you have all that 296.

In the Federal hull, 296/H110 is at 11,600 psi to push to 1250 fps, where as 300MP is only at 8300 fps. That's why they don't zing. I've loaded quite a few 1000 of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:14 am 
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You were having zingers using 296? One thing to check is your collet settings. Years ago I had a rash of zingers and determined I was over sizing the brass. Evidently the high-brass on the Feds can squeeze the tube and introduce a fault.

296 and 300MP should give plenty of life with Feds.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:10 am 
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I used to size them just enough to chamber in my 42: still got zingers. Thats when I gave up on them and moved on.

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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:18 am 
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I've been loading Federal plastic 410s since they were introduced in the early 70s. Occasionally some zinged on the second loading. Usually they started to zing after a few loadings. Sometimes they would last longer, sometimes not.

I've tried many of the purported solutions to zingers, e.g. different powders, different wads, primers, and velocities. Some worked.....for a while. Then they stopped working and the zingers returned.

My conclusion is it depends on the batch of hulls. Some batches last longer. Others not as long.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:38 am 
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Bob_K wrote:
I'd recommend Alliant 300MP powder. The incidence of whistlers with Federals goes way down.



I could not get through a box of Federal 410 reloads using 296 without at least one whistler and the second time I reloaded them it got worse, until I switched to 300 MP.


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 Post subject: Re: Reloading Federal Top Gun 410's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:34 pm 
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casonet wrote:
The last ones that I had went into the trash. I would not use them in a repeater, and check your bore after each shot.


I agree. I will put them away for now until I find someone that wants them. It not worth the trouble since I have a healthy supply of AA's now.
Thanks for lots of interesting ideas and information.




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