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 Post subject: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:41 am 
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Is extra lite effected by cold weather ?
My 3/4 oz loads would not eject from my Multi Target. 1 oz factory worked fine.
Bumped powder up to 16 grain & shot yesterday, ejected fine, shot some 15 gr and they worked also. Yesterday 3/11 was nice temperature so was wondering if temperature can effect it
Load: Gun Club hull, extra lite powder, CB0175 & Winchester primer. 15 & 16 grain.
The day it occurred I cleaned the gun after the issue , next time still happened.
Was unburnt powder in receiver.
Temperature when it happened was hi 30's, low 40's
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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:52 am 
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that's not cold, but it is just cold enough to affect some lubes.


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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:22 pm 
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Not your load, but have never had one single issue with Extra Lite in my new Beretta A400 Xcel Black all winter long. Coldest temps I shot in was about 9*F one evening under the lights with the ammo and gun stored outside for a couple hours between rounds.

My load is 15.5 gr of Extra Lite, 7/8oz shot, CB HS gray wad, Win 209 primer in a Winchester AAHS hull. The only problem I have is the 8# jug of Extra Lite ran dry and I can't get any right now, so have switched to 700X temporarily. The weather is warmer and 700X works fine...but it is a dirtier in the gas piston and uses 10% more powder to achieve the same velocity as Extra Lite.


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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 12:27 pm 
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We've shot it down to the 20's without issue.

Sure wish I had a couple of 8lb jugs worth.

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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:43 pm 
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I think it's safe to say all powders are affected by temperature changes, some more than others. How much extra lite is affected is the question. Alliant would be the best source for the answer. I called a while back and discussed this issue with the tech regarding red dot and e3. He said red dot is their most reliable/least affected by cold for 1oz loads. The solution is probably what you've already done, bump up the charge.


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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:16 pm 
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FWIW,

Powders are affected by temperature period. You can't change that.

What you can change is using the right powder for the right application. Using the correct primer.....the one that gives the best ballistic consistency for the components used. Using enough of the powder to keep the chamber pressure at 9,000 PSI or over. The closer to SAAMI MAP the better.

IF you have a GOOD load, the velocity @ 0 degrees F will not be more than 5% lower than the velocity @ 70 degrees F.

For a 1200 FPS load @ 70 degrees F that means the velocity is at or above 1140 FPS @ 0 degrees F.

A GOOD target load probably won't drop that low, and you probably haven't actually cold soaked your ammo. In this case a cold soak is when you subject ammo for 24 hours to 0 degrees F.

Just because a load is printed in some manual, does NOT mean that it is a good load nor does it mean that it will perform well when the temperature approaches 0 degrees. Temps in the 30's and 40's should not affect a load all that much. If those temperatures do affect a load.....find another load.

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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:22 pm 
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Loaded 50 at 16 gr & going to load 50 at 15 gr and see how they work. I'm sure 16 gr will be fine.
Would rather shoot 15 gr at this time due to components being limited.
Switch back & forth bet E/L & 700x.
Never a issue with 700x


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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:41 pm 
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Been using 700-X in the 12 gauge @ 18.5 grains for years in 1 oz. loads. It doesn't drop off and it always cycles my Benelli SS.

At 16 grains of 700-x with 7/8 oz. loads it cycles my 16 gauge 1100 just fine.

And I do shoot in the winter, although this year has been fairly mild at least for ND. Probably the coldest it has been when shooting this year was 25 degrees.

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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:42 pm 
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The days I had the issue it could have been colder but I can't remember, thought I had a dirty gun/piston but it was not as dirty as it had been previously. I don't really look at the temperature, just dress for it.
My multi Target is not finicky and have ran 1000 or more before cleaning it.
My 391 Teknys is finicky.
This is the coldest winter in 3 years in PA.


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 Post subject: Re: Extra Lite Powder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:02 am 
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I've been running the same load as you but use 16.1 gn in my V3 with no problems, temps in the low teens, also run a 1/2 oz load with same components and 1/8 20 gauge nitro card and no problems there either with 15gns.

Also run a 3/4 oz load in new Federal Top Gun hulls with a CB-6100-12 and a 1/8 nitro card in the same conditions with 16.1 with no issues in the V3

These loads reset the triggers in my Red Label as well.

Might want to check your powder drops if you haven't already.

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