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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:44 pm 
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When do you first look at the target before you shoot it.

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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:15 am 
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KRIEGHOFFK80 wrote:
When do you first look at the target before you shoot it.

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Terry, this is really a good topic, which I'm sure will bring some insight from Anthony.

What has stuck out in my mind from all the chatter from various shooters is John Shima's viewpoint. Your eyehold should be fixed and relaxed, just where your peripheral vision picks up the blur of the target. Point being that when your peripheral picks up the flash, your eyehold focus will now grab the target.

Looking forward to Anthony's thoughts on this subject.


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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:44 pm 
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I look at the target as soon as I can. I may not get a great look at it, but if I can get a feel for how fast it's moving and get my gun moving on the general line, I am much better prepared to shoot the target earlier in it's flight. Not that I have to shoot it the fastest, but it gives me more options.

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I look at the target as soon as I can. I may not get a great look at it,


Same here {hs#

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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:18 pm 
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Unless one is shooting a premounted gun what benefit is there in using peripheral vision vs looking directly at the target at the earliest moment? An object seen by the center of the eye is read by the brain much faster than images created by the peripheral vision. The brain creates a predicted track of a moving object many times faster using the center eye compared to the the peripheral vision.

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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
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Chip Kolar wrote:
Unless one is shooting a premounted gun


That's one reason I always use a low gun start so I can turn my head far enough to see the Clay as soon as it leaves the arm(unless the Trap is hidden) then after watching the show pair look right in front of the obstacle covering it up.

I tried pre mounted and was ALWAYS late picking up the bird and always behind playing catch up. But that;s just me YMMV :)

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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
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YMMV indeed. I started pre-mounting more when I was at M&M one day and Anthony was waiting to fill/work on the traps. I stepped out and he headed for the trap and he said "should have pre-mounted that one Jeff". Nothing like that in the middle of a tournament! So it depends, you have to know when to pre-mount and when not to pre-mount.

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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:44 pm 
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peripheral vision is not accurate. its hard to focus on something in your peripheral vision.


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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
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Good topic. I'll write a detail response when time allows. This is a very complicated topic that many good shooters themselves may do but don't understand.


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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:09 am 
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One of the biggest mistakes I see new shooters make is looking too close to the trap. If your eyes get beat you're looking too close.


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I have been shooting like crap.

Went to practice yesterday to see if I could figure out what I was doing wrong.

When I was shooting I was looking out in the sky to see the target instead of looking back to the trap.

Way to many things going on in my head.

Bingo! :lol:

Every time I do what Anthony tells me to do it works.

Sometimes I am just to stupid to shoot sporting clays.

Yesterday I was shooting Fiocchi #8's in 7/8 that I had given to me. Wow! I always shoot 1 1/8. I was breaking targets with the 7/8's that were long and far.

I also went from a pair of U2's to a pair of U3's.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:46 pm 
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KRIEGHOFFK80 wrote:
I have been shooting like crap.

Went to practice yesterday to see if I could figure out what I was doing wrong.

When I was shooting I was looking out in the sky to see the target instead of looking back to the trap.

Way to many things going on in my head.

Bingo! :lol:

Every time I do what Anthony tells me to do it works.

Sometimes I am just to stupid to shoot sporting clays.

Yesterday I was shooting Fiocchi #8's in 7/8 that I had given to me. Wow! I always shoot 1 1/8. I was breaking targets with the 7/8's that were long and far.

I also went from a pair of U2's to a pair of U3's.


Yes, it feels good once in awhile. I've done almost the same - 7/8 oz. @ 1300fps. with a .022 and .030 choke and shooting better than ever but also looking a little out of the trap with a soft gaze. It feels good and makes you want to get out and practice more, and more.


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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:45 pm 
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KRIEGHOFFK80 wrote:
When do you first look at the target before you shoot it.

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In Anthony's video he states to look far beyond the target line as the eyes focus much quicker coming in than they do trying to focus out. He uses a tree line as an example when explaining it in Timed to Win.
I find that this takes a lot of self control as my conscious mind keeps trying to tell me that looking beyond the flight path isn't correct. However, after practicing this for awhile it becomes second nature and really does allow me to pick up and more importantly, lock on the target.
I pre mount very shallow to deep angle outgoing targets and let the peripheral pick up the target until it comes into my central vision which is just before my break point. On left to right crossers I look beyond the flight path maybe out 5-10 yards from the trap depending on speed and distance. I also find that I can look right at the trap on a right to left but need to look out the 5-10 yards on a left to right to pick up the targets the best. This is what works for me.

Another tidbit that has helped my game is practicing "quiet eye". I hold my entire body as well as my eyes completely still at least 3-5 seconds before my call, using this time to mentally "amp" up to "kill" the target.

All just my $.02 after a lot of trial and much error....

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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:00 am 
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Dave your comments are spot on. I find the trick is to place my hold point far enough down range to give my eyes time to go from soft focus to early hard focus then its just move-mount-shoot as the clarity of focus develops. Done properly the move is both short and smooth. The challenge for me is to just trust my subconscious and to pull the trigger. I have a tendency to double check the lead which leads to a cacophony of errors and a miss. Chip

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If I wait to long to pick up the target I start spot shooting. That never works.

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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:17 am 
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I will say this. Once you get a shooter to realize that controlling the eyes before the shot, during the shot, and even after the shot is vital, and that it can be and has to be practiced more so than anything else, his scores would have greatly improved, because everything else has followed the eyes!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:20 pm 
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Hi Anthony
Any chance you have time to reply to the original post?

Certainly looking forward to what you have to say


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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 5:58 am 
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I'll get to it when time allows. Currently I am burning both ends of the candle and don't have an hour to commit to writing this response.


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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
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Currently I am burning both ends of the candle and don't have an hour to commit to writing this response.

Since when is this something new? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Seeing the Target
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:11 pm 
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to me what seems harder is setting up your eyes for the second shot of the pair. I think training focus on the second shot of the pair is much more evasive.

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