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 Post subject: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:34 am 
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ok,

primarily, i reload european powders but niceshot data does not exist.

so, i can get hold of some hodgdon longshot. i planned to do some 1,1/8oz loads with it anyway.

could i reload this recipe and still be safe?

12gauge,
Shell: 2 3/4" CHEDDITE PLASTIC SHELLS
Lead Shot
12gauge
1-1/8 oz.
Longshot powder
Ched. 209
Fio. TL1
36.6grains
9,800 PSI
1530fps.

i think i can find an equivalent to fio-tL1, there are a few wads. something like the gulandi wads.
is "Niceshot" loaded by volume or weight? as can load either.
any input would be great.

cook




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 Post subject: Re: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:41 am 
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All smokeless shotshell propellant charges are by weight, never originated by volume.

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 Post subject: Re: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:43 am 
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cheers randy, i actually ment "niceshot" i`ll ammend that.

i`ve found another recipe that i can get all the components for...
Load# 110214-2815 HIGH SPEED
HULL: FIOCCHI 12-gauge 2.75”
PRIMER: FIO616
PROPELLANT: HODGDON LONGSHOT 36.0 Grains
WAD: VP53 (Mica dust the wad)
SHOT: 1-1/8 ounce (492 grains) NP#5.5
BUFFER: none
FOLD CRIMP: 6-point
Result: PSI 10000 FPS 1510


would this be safe to load with niceshot?


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 Post subject: Re: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:51 am 
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Posted in several places, Nice Shot loads very similar to lead. Hodgdon testing showed a max. pressure rise of 1500 PSI, though most loads were less.

SAAMI Shotgun Pressure Specifications


Shotshell Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) in PSI


10 gauge 11,000
12 gauge 11,500 (except 3-1/2 in.)
12 gauge 3 1/2 in. 14,000
16 gauge 11,500
20 Gauge 12,000
28 gauge 12,500
.410 Bore 2 1/2 in. 12,500
.410 Bore 3 in. 13,500



The rule of thumb is to subtract 1500 PSI, so in 12 gauge you would stick to 10,000 PSI MAP loads.

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 Post subject: Re: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:00 am 
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thanks alot. the issue i had was this...
i`ve been told that running longshot with 1,1/8oz loads can have issues if run at below 10,000psi.
unburnt powder everywhere. and bloop loads..
i`ll be running it in a benelli supernova, so could go to a straight lead>niceshot substitution.


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 Post subject: Re: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:42 am 
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Loudshot isn't a favorite powder; no reason for the noise and recoil.

I'd stick with 1250 - 1300 fps and use a more appropriate propellant: Green Dot, Unique, Herco, Int'l Clays.

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 Post subject: Re: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:02 am 
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cheers again randy.


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 Post subject: Re: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:37 pm 
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Longshot a great powder, the extra noise is BS, and why would it recoil more than any other powder?


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 Post subject: Re: Longshot and Niceshot
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:37 am 
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the fact it is a full 1,1/8oz load going 1510fps.

more speed = more recoil. esp when compared to normal loads i use, 7/8oz at 1200fps.




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