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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:09 pm 
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I can only say that it has been my experience that Lucio has little time to humor meatheads. I have and have had a number of Perazzis, never a new one and usually semi-beat when acquired, tho not always. I've visited Perazzi USA a total three times over the last 20 years so I'm hardly a familiar face there, and I have spent a grand total of maybe $500 there over that time. I have never been treated in any way other than great by Lucio and/or whomever was admin'ing at the time - Al this last time of course. This last time a couple months ago I spent several hours BS'ing with Lucio while he took care of things the three guns I took him needed and it cost me a whopping $100 so it wasn't the big spender that won them over either.

I don't know why you folks got treated the way you did but you might check in the mirror for a hint. I have nothing but good to say about the biz, the product, or the people. And that includes Giacomo too, as nice a person as you'll ever meet.

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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:49 am 
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I too had good service from Lucio as I said in an earlier post it's just that the general feeling was that they, Perazzi USA, were not super customer focused or extra friendly. You can get away with that model in Europe but not so much in the US especially in California. Just my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:39 am 
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He is telling everyone he retired . Actually he was Fired .......


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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:00 pm 
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Most of the issues voiced about Perazzi and beretta here are why I am looking at a Zoli

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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:04 pm 
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I just visited Perazzi USA this past Thursday, no appointment or anything and Al took the time to talk to me and my buddy. He showed us a whole bunch of stuff and even gave me a hat. Al was informative and eager to speak about the product. It was my first interaction with Perazzi USA directly and it left a good impression.


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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:21 am 
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Well, how he left is no one's business...the fact is Lucio is leaving/left Perazzi.
All the times I've dealt with Lucio, which isn't many times, it has alway been straight forward. He's just breviloquent.
As for his Old World attitude and "leaving it behind"...I don't know about that.
I understand what you mean, but the guy is neither in Public relations nor marketing; he's a technician
Maybe I'm used to it when dealing with Israeli diamond dealers and the Arab vendors in the Produce industry, and Korean Cash n Carry Merchants
Lucio has his shop just down the street from Perazzi and I'm sure he is very happy. He will continue to give the great service he has always done. Although I do not think (from what I heard), he will be doing work on Perazzi's under warranty.
I heard today, but can not confirm, that Perazzi will be bringing in a gentleman who used to work for Remington back in the day. The name slips me so.

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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:44 pm 
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I was reading an old issue of Clay Shooting USA magazine and came across an article about the Perazzi company which listed Lucio Sosta as being Vice President of Perazzi USA.

When Daniele hired Al Kondak last year I wonder if a difference of opinion between Lucio and Al developed which, after Daniele's death, resulted in Lucio being asked to leave? Seems like Al has more say with the factory as to how they are going to conduct business in the US market as evidenced by the development and introduction of the new MXS model "which was made for the US Sporting Clays shooter at the request of Al Kondak" according to an article in the current issue of Clay Shooting USA. I hope Al is guessing right as to what Perazzi should do in the US market.


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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
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From what I have heard around the water fountain is the fella running Perazzi in Italy is not real sharp cookie. If it is true Perazzi makes 3000/yr I really do not consider them a volume manufacturer at all, and only a fifth come to the US does it really make much sense for them come to every shoot? 50 guns a month? I do not know how this compares to K guns volume.
As far as Lucio is concerned I understand he might have felt a bit slighted when Mr. Perazzi passed away and he was not promoted in some way and was to remain a gunsmith after all those years with the company. Maybe he isn't cut out for sales/management, I do not know myself but I do know he felt slighted. I thing things did change at Perazzi USA and not for the better.
I like my sco oro just fine and can fix most anything on it myself which is a large part of why I own it. I asked the question at Nationals this year why there were so many Kguns. Was told part of the reason is Kreighoff will sell their guns on time and are truly trying to be a volume manufacturer. This is fine and dandy and good for the sport I just never handled one I really liked but doesn't mean I won't own one some day.


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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:07 am 
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Oldfalguy:

I recently sent a trigger group to Lucio for adjustment and I spoke to him about his new "business". He said that he entered into a partnership with another gunsmith a while ago and was doing work at their shop as well as working at Perazzi USA and either Perazzi USA didn't like that or, as you suspected, Lucio felt slighted and it ended up with Lucio going his own way. The bottom line is he will continue to do excellent work on Perazzis and that's a good thing.

As to the market and sales numbers for Perazzi I doubt that we will see much change, especially here in the US market. They are after all a specialty maker and they seem happy with their position (World Wide) so why change? JMO


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 4:26 pm 
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At Nationals this year , my wife's Perazzi trigger group needed some work. Dan (w/ Giacomo) was present and fixed her problems in record time and for a more than fair cost.

Al , the mgr, was going on and one about my wife's custom stock and only at Perazzi could one get such a custom stock.....eventually , Dan had to shush him since Dan immediately saw it was a Wenig stock , not a Perazzi.

The work was welcome - quality, quick service and friendly.....what more could one ask ?

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I was imagining what Perazzi would be like if Berlusconi took over Perazzi. :lol: :lol: :lol: Order a gun and a nice looking young lass :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:49 pm 
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Yesterday I spoke to Lucio, after 28 years he stated the shook hands and said goodby. No gold watch , I assume.

Lucio has a good follwoing on P guns on the West Coast. He was a gentlemen, when most gundealer just want your money.

He was very honest and as a Beretta collector, Lucio knows them well and stated the S680 was the workhorse of Beretta. (1980- current 686/687).

Lucio was the only one at Perazzi, who knows the P and B guns, that were availavle this week. Al K was in Colorado State Shoot and Giacomo guys at the Pa State shoot, and their gals didn't help.

Giacomo finally returned a call and seem knowledgeable on older TM1 Competition 4 stripped receiver Ithaca imports and expressed that "parts are expensive" I guess compared to Beretta.

Lets keep Lucio in mind for all out West Coast P guns repairs.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:47 pm 
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Rencently I found a very nice TM1 Competition 4 in original leather case, according to Joel Etchen, like he had when he was a boy.

I called Al and emailed pictures and Al got back to me after the Colorado State Shoot. He knows his stuff, being a former buyer for G & H. Also called Lucio and he too knows his stuff as well as Giacomo's in Rome, who gave me some info on parts for the gun.

Now after looking on the internet, I could not figure why this TM1 Comp IV, with all matching parts and extra trigger look so good, with some metal use and wood handling marks, and in another posting found out why.

This gun is a diamond in the ruff, it has a custome stock AAA extra fancy or even exhibition grade forend and butt stock with a Kick ezz pad (needs some work).
Mr. Whie saw a picture and said " Pretty" may need locking bolt soon.

In searching blogs/posting found " Stocks By Umberger", which one poster allerted me on.
Just found another " Stocks by Umberger" with Graco for $3,600 . It was on a Browning Citori 32" gun ($1,000), so the stock work, assuming it will fit me with a Graco is woth say $2,500. Artists like Bret Umberger are had to come by and he passed away in 2010 or so.

Bottom like my new (1976) TM1 Compition IV, with original case, tools, extra trigger group, 4 type 1 OEM chokes is a diamond in the rough and should be worth double of what I paid for it.

Of all the 35 over and under I had or have, the MX8 Ithaco I got from a doctor was one of the best week end shooting American Trap Guns I owned. It too bad I sold it, but now I can start collecting P Guns again.

All of the posting here are on the money, Lucio and Al know their respective trade well!


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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:04 am 
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Hello gentlemen,

I know it's a very old thread, but I just sign up yesterday, and there're couple things I can add to it.

Lucio's departure has a lot to do with Miss Perazzi.

Current factory warranty work is done by a very capable gunsmith in CA. Not Lucio. He has back log works from other customers for 2 years, so I'm not going to mention his name. :-)

In recent years, Perazzi is making no more than 1500 guns a year.

Lucio is doing well with his business partner Tim few blocks away from Perazzi. He is not the kind of guy will give you a hug or handshake to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling , but he is one of the best gunsmith in the world, he is fully capable of making a shotgun from scratch (He did a handful of them when he was young).

Lucio is also fully capable of being a very nice person, you have to know him well. He is simply not a sweet talking sales person.

I don't know what will happen to Perazzi in the future, many good old workers have left under the new management, Beretta is trying to buy the company again like in the past.
Like many old, family owned, prestiges brands in the world, they usually got bought by some big powerful enterprises after the founder passes.


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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:41 am 
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You wanna get him talking? Just tell him a Barolo is superior to any Carmignano or Brunello di Montalcino

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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:02 pm 
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Hey everyone,

This thread is really old but better late than never. I joined this forum to clear a bit of information up. The death of Maestro Daniele Perazzi did play a role in why Lucio Sosta was having issues with Perazzi, Miss Perazzi was not the same type of Employer and was pushing down hard on Lucio and Perazzi USA for whatever reason, most likely sales and the limited physical interaction going on between Italy and the USA branch. Lucio and Maestro were close and Lucio really spent much of his life in the USA bringing the Perazzi name into light. Annie Synder was doing a great job as the CPA and running the invoicing and a few other important parts of the company. After some time there was talks of taking Lucio out of the management position and placing him only as the Master Gunsmith making Al Kondak the new Manager/Sales/Marketing of Perazzi USA. This game quick and with force, obviously affecting how Lucio felt about the company he had been managing for decades. Al came from New York and started his career as the new perazzi manager and was reporting back to Miss Perazzi in Italy, from my understanding it was his job to see what was going on at Perazzi USA and to make changes according to the wants and needs to Miss Perazzi. After many months of learning Miss Perazzi showed up to Perazzi USA random with an accountant and a computer Specialist to do only what I can assume is a once over of the books, and check the computers for something that may not have been right. They spent many hours there asking everyone to let them work. After that things started to change quite fast. Al kondak ended up taking over much of the management, and Lucio was working strickly on guns. The camera system was upgraded and the computer systems were fitted with remote access software. Lucio is and was a great man, unappreciated by the company he spent many decades working for. Most people enjoyed his company, some less respectful people did not. Giacomo is also an awesome guy. These people have worked the industry a long time and deserve that respect. If you have any additional questions, let me know. Oh and if you want to get him talking give him some Italian meats and a great cup of expresso!

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Brandon: You need to explain to us the "High Tech" concept. A gun that is $2000 more than an MX 8 but not 1 % better.

The High Tech is a self-inflicted wound by Perazzi on Perazzi.

Or is there a more friendly spin ????

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 Post subject: Re: Lucio leaving Perazzi... But
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What are you referring to, the mx8 and?

Yes, Perazzi in the past has done some interesting things to market "new" guns sometimes it's a different trigger or a different something that makes the difference in price.

What is the exact information you're looking for?

Also, I know this information specifically because I worked for Perazzi and was close with Lucio, annie, and Al.


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Tell us why the High Tech costs so much more than an MX 8 but offers nothing more in value???

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Crickets...

I'd also like this answer (and Lord knows I've spent enough on Perazzis over the years to deserve one).




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