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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:54 pm 
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Trust me, l am not an advocate but I see warning signs that a total lead ban is looming in the not so distant future.



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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:26 pm 
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This thread was a true eye opener so I bought the book and though it is full of technical discussions, there is always an effort to make it suitable for the not-so-technically inclined. The discussion in here further clarifies things that are nebulous to myself.
As a new shooter, it gives me a basic understanding on how to approach my training to improve my developing technique rather than be confused with accepted practices that could be without foundation; so practice, practice, practice and having a great time while doing it :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:36 pm 
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BGK, Interestingly, here (UK) a government working group on lead (i.e. to get rid of lead) just petered-out. Further, I have been told one of the Nordic countries has recently reversed a lead ban for hunting. Every country is of course a law unto itself and logic needn't play a role, but there are snippets of good news. All it will take is something like a collapse in Government spending and they won't be able to afford all the busy-bodies and we'll be home and dry!

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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:59 pm 
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Andrew,
If only that was true!
It appears that allegedly the Chairman of the Lead Ammunition Group who was also the CEO of Britain's largest shooting association (although not a member????)is actually an opponent of using Lead ammunition.
Talk about putting a Fox in the chicken coup???
Of course Britain is also famous for Charlie Chaplin, Benny Hill, John Cleese and Monty Python.
Comedy of Errors.


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:47 am 
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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:22 am 
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Raising this from its hibernation, has anybody managed to get the software to work recently?


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:26 pm 
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The software is still all there and still works if you jump through the security hurdles, see below.

My thanks to Robert Madsen for the Win10 steps. He's working on this shotgun virtual reality simulator that you might be interested in:

http://www.leadtech.co/

Have a look around their website and see they have a projector based system and a full-on 3D virtual reality system. Pretty impressive! From a programmer's perspective, I'm humbled. :(

Andrew.

Steps to get the Shotgun-Insight applets running.


For Pre Win10:

In the last year or so the security requirements for active content have been ratcheted-up. The following should get things running:

Recently, on the PC, the latest releases of browsers and Java have both demanded signed Applets (which mine are not). To get around this the user must explicitly allow the URL of the pages that contain the Applets in both the browser settings AND the Java control panel. On a
PC, to set up Java:

Start -> Control Panel -> Java and then the "Security" tab -> Edit
Site List. Then add in:

http://www.shotgun-insight.com/
http://www.shotgun-insight.com/ShotgunI ... Online.htm

When you try and run the Applets you might still get some pop-ups
asking you to allow the unsigned to run just tick/select/OK them.


You might need to explicitly allow the
web site in the browser too. In Firefox there is an Options -> Content ->
"Block pop-ups exception" page where I needed to add
http://www.shotgun-insight.com/



For Win10 (thanks to Robert Madsen):


There are several hurdles you will have to overcome to run the program. These are all because of security “fixes” that have been implemented to stop people from being able to maliciously access your computer.

1. Windows Edge, the default browser for Windows 10, does not even allow Java apps. Therefore you will have to run the app in Internet Explorer instead.

2. It is likely that your PC does not have Java installed, so you will have to install it.

3. The Shotgun Insight applet is not “digitally signed”, so you will have to manually tell your PC that it is okay to run it.



The procedure below will lead you through the steps. I also CCed Dr. Jone so he can use this for future users who have the same issue.



1. Install Java

o Go to http://www.java.com/en/download/win10.jsp and click Agree and Start the Free Download.

o Once the file had downloaded, click Run.

o Accept all of the defaults to install Java.

2. Now we have to tell Windows to allow the Shotgun Insight applet to run:

o Right-click on Image and choose Control Panel. Click System and Security, then choose Flash Player (32-bit).

o Click the Security tab, then choose Edit Site List

o Click Add, then enter http://www.shotgun-insight.com in Location and click OK.

o A pop-up will display telling you that this is a security risk. Click Continue. Then click OK

3. Now, launch Internet Explorer

o Locate the search bar (has text “Search the web and Windows”) in the lower-left corner and type Internet Explorer

o Right-click on Internet Explorer and choose Pin to Taskbar (this will make it easier to get to).

o Click on and choose Pin to Taskbar (this will make it easier to get to).

o Click Image on the taskbar (make sure it is Internet Explorer and not Microsoft Edge, which looks similar).

o Navigate to http://www.shotgun-insight.com/LEPA_Trial.html.

o Click Start the download in a new browser window.

o In the popup window, check I accept the risk and want to run this application and then click Run.

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o Once the applet has loaded, click the button below:

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Once you have gone through all of these steps, the program should now run from inside Internet Explorer without having to jump through all the hoops.

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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:24 am 
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Thank you, I'll try those suggestions. Much appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: The Most Comprehensive Shotgun Performance Book Ever!
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 8:30 am 
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Andrew, as I remember in your book, didn't you address the comparison on velocity between 2 different loads, ie., 1200fps.vs 1300fps. for pellet deformity downrange due to initial set-back?
I don't remember if the fps. gap was 100fps. or not but you get the thought. The popular conception is the higher velocity gives inferior downrange patterns than the lower but you could not find any statistical evidence to support that claim - right?




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