ShotGunWorld Shotguns

It is currently Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:45 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 29 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:00 am 
Presentation Grade

Joined: Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:21 pm
Posts: 699
So I was playing around with some a few shotguns and noticed something. The trigger guards (and triggers) on both fixed- and removable-trigger Perazzis might be a little further forward than on other guns. Perhaps this contributes to the feeling of having more weight "between the hands?" You can see in the pics below where I compare a Perazzi MT6 (my gold standard for a well-balanced shotgun) to a Beretta 686, and then to a Perazzi MX3 Special. I tried to put the tape measure perpendicular to the stick at a level even with the rearmost trigger guard.
Any one have any similar comparisons between a Perazzi and any other guns, like a Kolar, Zoli Kronos, Blaser F3, Browning CX, Browning 725, and/or Krieghoff K80?

Image
Image




Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:12 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:51 pm
Posts: 10927
Location: Phoenixville PA
"Well-balanced" depends on your personal preferences.

_________________
BobK


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:23 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:22 pm
Posts: 11072
Location: Athens,TX.
^^^^^ +1 :)

_________________
Jerry

TSRA LIFE MEMBER
NSCA #610xxx

Rose City Clays - Tyler TX
5H Shooting Sports Frankston TX ( Formally the Chicken Ranch)
Caney Creek- Teague TX


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:56 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:02 am
Posts: 2477
Location: KS
Based on the very limited sample of Perazzi that I have shot, P-guns seem "livelier" than other manufacturer's guns of similar barrel length, but...

All of the Perazzi that I have shot were fixed choke. I don't think that I've ever even handled a c/t Perazzi; so, I cannot comment on their balance or "liveliness."

All of the Beretta, Blaser, Kolar, and Zoli that I have shot were c/t; so comparing apples and oranges.

I have shot a Krieghoff Parcours (12x32) and MX2000S (12x32) side by side. I preferred the balance of the Perazzi but could not say that one was better than the other - just different.

Regarding the original question, "why do Perazzi balance as they do?" I suspect that it is the result of a number of carefully integrated design factors, and trigger placement may be one of them.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:37 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:20 am
Posts: 13488
Your sample size is too small to create a cause and effect due to trigger placement. :wink:

BUT I surely agree that (some) Perazzis have a magic wand like balance.

_________________
Nsca # 540300. Been loving this game since 01.

Our prentice Tom may now refuse
To wipe his scoundrel master's shoes
For now he's free to sing and play
O'er the hills and far away.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:01 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:25 pm
Posts: 2380
Location: Attica, Mi
I shoot mainly SxSs and we usually check "weight between the hands" by seeing where the gun balances. It should be maybe even with or a 1/4" in front of the hinge pin. Where does a Perazzi balance at ?

_________________
Venue shotgun chairman of the LCSC and the LPSXSA


Last edited by bladesmith on Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:58 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:22 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:51 pm
Posts: 10927
Location: Phoenixville PA
Actually, the trigger position on a shotgun is a function of LOP (length of pull), and the correct LOP on a gun is an individual requirement. It has nothing directly to do with gun "liveliness".

_________________
BobK


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:07 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:25 pm
Posts: 2380
Location: Attica, Mi
And the back of the trigger guard is shaped different. JMHO, but weight between the hands is how well it balances on the hinge pin. If the balance is there because it was designed right with barrel weight to stock weight being equal, then the gun will swing better and feel more lively.

_________________
Venue shotgun chairman of the LCSC and the LPSXSA


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:15 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:34 pm
Posts: 5986
‘Good’ balance is entirely subjective. It can’t be nailed down as ‘it balances here’. The hinge pin, is actually irrelevant, except it’s the hinge pin.

Where you place your leading hand assuming your trigger hand is relatively constant can change everything.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:30 pm 
Diamond Grade
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:07 pm
Posts: 1766
Location: Virginia
While LOP is a gross measure of gun fit, "hand" the distance from the front of the grip to the trigger is also important. A properly fitted gun should include the "hand" measurement as part of LOP.

_________________
Ken Schafer
Bull Run Shooting Instruction
NSCA Level 2, Instructor
CSM/TRACS Instructor

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

The Internet is a Delphi Process without the experts.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:13 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:25 pm
Posts: 2380
Location: Attica, Mi
And if the gun balances on the pistol grip would it still have good balance ? How about if it balances on the forearm ? Still good balance ? Balance on the hinge pin is a very old standard. A lot of the old British top makers made them balance a bit behind the hinge pin so it felt lighter and quicker in the hands. But most makers tried to have their guns balance on the hinge pin.

_________________
Venue shotgun chairman of the LCSC and the LPSXSA


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:33 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:34 pm
Posts: 5986
bladesmith wrote:
And if the gun balances on the pistol grip would it still have good balance ? How about if it balances on the forearm ? Still good balance ? Balance on the hinge pin is a very old standard. A lot of the old British top makers made them balance a bit behind the hinge pin so it felt lighter and quicker in the hands. But most makers tried to have their guns balance on the hinge pin.


The answer to all your questions is ‘possibly’.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:06 pm 
Crown Grade

Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:25 pm
Posts: 2380
Location: Attica, Mi
Not really. It would be awful muzzle light or heavy. The gun wouldn't feel balanced at all.

_________________
Venue shotgun chairman of the LCSC and the LPSXSA


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:28 pm 
Limited Edition
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:57 pm
Posts: 328
Location: CA 90266
Different balance point will have different advantages to different games.

ATA gun enjoy more advantage from a slightly muzzle heavy gun, Pigeon gun can't have the same dynamic, even box pigeon and hand thrown pigeon will require different balance for taking full advantages.

Perazzi will let you choose different barrel weight if you required it when ordering.

_________________
“Advice is seldom welcome, and those who need it the most, like it the least.”
- Lord Chesterfield. 1750


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:39 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:34 pm
Posts: 5986
bladesmith wrote:
Not really. It would be awful muzzle light or heavy. The gun wouldn't feel balanced at all.


‘Feel’ balanced to who? ‘Feel’ of a guns dynamics are mostly subjective, personal preference


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:37 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*

Joined: Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:01 pm
Posts: 6827
The pictures shown sure make it look like ones hands would be a half inch or so closer to center of gravity of the gun than the Beretta, or whatever the other gun is. Looks to me like that would make a difference in how it feels and handles. Wish I had one to try.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:52 am 
Crown Grade

Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:25 pm
Posts: 2380
Location: Attica, Mi
sovrapposti, good points. Guess I was talking more of a hunting gun.

_________________
Venue shotgun chairman of the LCSC and the LPSXSA


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:28 pm 
Field Grade

Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:42 am
Posts: 53
IMHO that is not enough comparisons to say that perazzis trigger and guard assembly placement is key component of well balanced perazzi. Especially considering well balanced is more of personal preference.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:55 pm 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:11 pm
Posts: 1042
I'm 6'4" , my left hand is 3/4 up the for end on most guns so I have always figured balance was subjective. ( but I would love a P gun :D :))


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: One of the secrets to why Perazzis feel well balanced?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:30 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:29 am
Posts: 1258
Location: Artesia, New Mexico
Most Perazzis I've handled make me feel like I'm reaching for the trigger, as you illustrated. I prefer the grip and feel of my DT-10's so I have stuck with them even when I have felt the tingle of wanting a new Perazzi.



_________________
NSCA #604835
Certified NSCA Referee
FITASC Regional Referee
Level 1 Instructor


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 29 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Registered users: avogunner, Bing [Bot], Dmc57, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Google Feedfetcher, rickeroo, txlefty


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group    - DMCA Notice