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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:18 pm 
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Catalog No. 11 1915 courtesy of David Noreen. Knickerbocker Hammerless No. 8 Damascus "specially bored for Smokeless or Black Powder".

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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:26 pm 
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Hello
Really enjoy this topic and the wealth of knowledge on these guns.
I have a 16 ga. single shot "Newport Model WN" that I'm guessing is most likely a Crescent "Victor". From what I've read, the Newport name was used by Hibbard, Spencer and Bartlett, sporting goods wholesalers out of Chicago? Gun is actually is decent shape and I'd love to find others similar.

As for H&D Folsom products, when I worked at a local sporting goods shop, I dug an old H&D Folsom gun case that was in the trash. I had the case restitched and it fits my Crescent Single Shop almost perfectly.

I'll try and get a photo up here sooner or later.
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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:11 am 
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Welcome Mark. Looking forward to pics.

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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:06 pm 
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The Newport Model CN...that is Double Barrel, right?
Give me a bit here and I'll try and get some photos. Next few days might be a bit busy, but I'll find some time to get them up.
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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:41 pm 
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That is correct Mark. Vorisek lists the 'Newport Model WN' as:
• Crescent Fire Arms Co.
• Harrington & Richardson Arms Co.
• Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works
Made for Hibbard, Spencer, Bartlett & Co.

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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:55 pm 
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Hello
Here are some (bad) photos of my Newport Model WN 16 Ga., which I'm guessing was made by Crescent, but could be wrong. Also is the H&D Folsom Canvas Case that was salvaged from the rubbish.
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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:58 pm 
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Looks to be a Crescent Mark, and that case is a great find!
Are the barrels marked "Armory Steel"?

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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:39 am 
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Hello again.
Thanks. The only marking on the barrel is "16 GA CHOKE", it does not say what choke, just choke. One person thought it was Modified.
I was fairly certain it was a Crescent. If I read this right, did Crescent go out of business circa 1930? Would love to know how old this gun is?
As for the case...funny what things get thrown out. The thin leather trim that held the long seam that held it together was just about gone. Took it to a canvas/sail shop and had a strip of canvas trim fitted and it is is "useable" condition now.
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Mossberg 500 12 Ga.
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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:44 am 
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Estimating manufacture dates for the “Victor” single barrel variants (both raised and flat frame models) is problematic. Joseph Vorisek based his numbers on the belief that more than 900,000 were produced between 1897 and 1932. The serial numbers for the Davenport Model Empire State Goose Guns may also be part of the series. The output from the Crescent factory (both Victor and tradename) would then be about 26,000 guns yearly over 35 years. Vorisek estimated 21,000 guns/year.
As a rough guide, one could divide a single barrel serial number by 26,000 and add that number to 1897. For example, serial number 70,000 divided by 26,000 (or 21,000) = 2.7 + 1897 = the later part of 1899.

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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:29 pm 
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Thanks, I'll have to have a go at dating mine, or at least getting close.
OK, "Raised" and "Flat" Frame... I'm going to guess I have the Flat Frame? The Raised frames...do they look similar to an Iver-Johnson "Champion" (I think that is the name?) Shotgun?
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Stevens Model 520 12 Ga.
Stevens Model 67E 12 Ga.
Mossberg 500 12 Ga.
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Iver Johnson Champion 16 Ga.
Remington "The Sportsman" 16 Ga.


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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:57 pm 
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If I got the math sussed out right (not my strong suit)...I got an estimate of 1922. The number was 24.68, so I added 25, so it could be 1921? Not that it matters.
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Stevens Model 520 12 Ga.
Stevens Model 67E 12 Ga.
Mossberg 500 12 Ga.
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Iver Johnson Champion 16 Ga.
Remington "The Sportsman" 16 Ga.


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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
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I am looking for some more retailed information regarding the "Nitro Hunter" double, hammered shotgun. The shotgun has no marking or numbers other than the "Nitro Hunter" ram's head logo on the side of the receiver.

Could you tell me if this as a version of the Model 0 or something completely different?

My search is to find someone who might actually have one of these in their possession and would be willing to have a one-on-one conversation with me in real time regarding the fore stock; I am trying to rebuild a missing one to restore the shotgun and could use some knowledgeable guidance about specifications and structure of the fore stock locking mechanism.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 11:32 pm 
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Took my Crescent 16 Ga. out shooting again today. For a hardware store/trade name gun that was sold at a cheap price...I'm sure really getting to love shooting it!!

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Yes, I know the roll crimps on the shells looks back, still very new at reloading, but they fired just fine.
Mark

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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:31 pm 
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OK...Something I saw last night whilst online and got me thinking.

All along, I had thought this gun as a Crescent Victor Rebranded as a "Newport Model WN". Well I looked a bit online last night and came across several photos and topic threads on the Harrington & Richardson Model-1908 Shotgun.

From what I saw in photos I came to the conclusion that my "Crescent Victor" has more in common with the H&R Model-1908...

Could I have had it wrong and my gun is actually a H&R Model-1908 (or similar H&R Shotgun)? They did produce them as the "Newport Model WN" for Hibbard, Spencer, and Bartlett, just as Crescent and Iver-Johnson did as well.

If it is actually an H&R, that is fine with me, as I have heard decent things about them. But sort of bummed now, as I was starting to like Crescents as well...

I paid under $80 for this gun, and yes the stock has been sanded down, not sure if it has been reblued or just kept in good shape, but whatever...I don't regret buying this gun at all! I had fun shooting it yesterday and hope to find more like it as time goes by.
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Marlin Model 1898 12 Ga.
Stevens Model 520 12 Ga.
Stevens Model 67E 12 Ga.
Mossberg 500 12 Ga.
H&R No.7 Bay State 16 Ga.
Iver Johnson Champion 16 Ga.
Remington "The Sportsman" 16 Ga.


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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 9:23 pm 
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I no longer have a Crescent Victor 16 Ga., I now have an H&R No.7 "Bay State" 16 Ga....
Sort of feel like a poser for saying I had a Crescent, but hey we all make mistakes. I do hope to find a Crescent soon. Now I need to change my signature line LOL!
Mark

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Stevens Model 520 12 Ga.
Stevens Model 67E 12 Ga.
Mossberg 500 12 Ga.
H&R No.7 Bay State 16 Ga.
Iver Johnson Champion 16 Ga.
Remington "The Sportsman" 16 Ga.


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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:55 am 
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Please start a new thread if you have questions about your vintage Crescent, American Gun Co., or Tradename double.

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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
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I inherited my Dads/uncle Alois's 12ga. Crescent Arms "Victor" single barrel shotgun. The serial number on the side of the opened barrel and on the stock tang is 59L943. Could you possibly date this gun. I'm putting a timeline together of their past. They both lived off this gun. Thanks for all you can do. Great forums by the way!


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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:39 pm 
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Well i am hoping this thread is still somewhat active. Between Ned and Drew you two seem to be the most knowledgeable about Crescent Arms. I am researching a friends shotgun that he got passed from his grandfather.

This is what I know:

Townley American Boy shotgun
Serial # A215055
single shot break open

Have read through your thread here and have downloaded several other documents but want to get it from someone that is more familier than I with this era, company, and firearm.

Working on getting pictures.


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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
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Does anyone know what the street address was for the Crescent Firearms Company ( Norwich, Ct. ) back in the day? I live close by and would like to see if the old building is still there.


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 Post subject: Re: Folsom, Crescent, American Gun Co. & Tradename Informati
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scayden: Pete Mikalajunas posted several ads from the Norwich City Directory which only list the "Industrial Building". There are listings for officers of Crescent Fire Arms Co. also
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=278742

"The Bulletin" archives very likely have an address, and possibly pictures of the building.
Please let us know what you find.



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