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 Post subject: Ste. Etienne 16 gauge SxS ID & value
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:52 am 
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This gun was given to me by an older gentleman who emigrated to the states during the war. This was a couple years ago and I have decided it's time to try to connect it with someone who would have more use and appreciation for it. The little bit of Internet research I have done suggests it would be difficult to determine the exact year of production and that the value is not substantial. But, wondering if someone here has ideas or input that might be helpful.

Markings on underside of barrel include circled letters "ML", number 6352, a crest figure that is either wheat sheafs or crossed arrows, number 17.0, word "RECTIFIE", letters "PT" under a crown symbol, words "ACER DECARBBURL", and words "AU CRUESET".

I recognize that a picture might be more helpful, but thought I'd start with this.

Your help is appreciated!




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 Post subject: Re: Ste. Etienne 16 gauge SxS ID & value
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:46 pm 
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PNWIthacaJunkie wrote:


Markings on underside of barrel include

* circled letters "ML", the maker's mark for Liegeoise D'Armes a Feu which AFAIK in business from 1866-1929.

* number 6352,- Serial Number

* a crest figure that is either wheat sheafs or crossed arrows, - mark of the proof house used (St. Etienne)

* number 17.0 - The gauge (16ga)

* the word "RECTIFIE", regulated chokes

* letters "PT" under a crown symbol, - French smokeless powder proofmark used when Liege Belgium was under French control

* words "ACER DECARBBURL", and words "AU CRUESET". - Description of the steel (acer, decarburized) and the crucible method used to pour the mketal (au crueset)




I hope this of help to you....

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 Post subject: Re: Ste. Etienne 16 gauge SxS ID & value
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:19 pm 
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If made by Manufacture Liegeoise (and the mark is usually crowned), then finished in St. Etienne, the gun would carry at least Liege provisional proof marks.
Yes, to be of help we need full size close up in focus images of every mark on the barrel flats, just forward of the flats, and on the action flats.
A list of French makers is here
http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20franca ... e%20gb.htm
BTW: it is very likely to have 2 9/16" chambers

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 Post subject: Re: Ste. Etienne 16 gauge SxS ID & value
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:45 pm 
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Well, thanks to you both for taking the time! Here's a couple pics that may help just in case there's more to be determined.

Now, any suggestions as to to find a good home for it and a fair price to anticipate? I realize this is probably kind of limited niche and it depends on condition, etc..., but I am open to suggestions from anyone in the know.


Once again, your insight and assistance are appreciated!


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 Post subject: Re: Ste. Etienne 16 gauge SxS ID & value
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:09 am 
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According to the pics :
17,0 bore diameter (0.669 inch) 16 gauge
65 chamber length (2 1/2 inches)
PT with one crown above means single proof presure 850 and later 900 bars (12800 psi)
St Etienne with the two palms and the crown means single proof FOR THE BARRELS only
MD stamp of the barrel finisher: the craftsman who polished the barrels and reamed the chokes
RECTIFIE (reamed or lapped as you like) it's only advertising
ACIER DECARBURE AU CREUSET steel made by the process of taking off some amount of carbon from cast-iron (the process normal nowadays)

You can expect your shotgun was made in Saint Etienne (France) at the beginning of the XX century, difficult to be more precise.
May be this helps a little.


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 Post subject: Re: Ste. Etienne 16 gauge SxS ID & value
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:15 pm 
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Too the >>65<<mm stamp might aide in narrowing the date. The proof facility @ St. Etienne bounced between 6.5 cm & 65mm from time to time. So maybe post 1912?

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