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 Post subject: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:22 pm 
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I just bought a Winchester 101 with serial number K1902XX. Does anyone know where I can find the date it was built? Also, is there any significance to the "K" in the serial number?




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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:48 pm 
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Not sure if this will be any help, as all information I have is sketchy, if not contradictory. I hope someone with an extensive 101 knowledge will jump in and clear up the confusion that I am about to relay.

Winchester web site says they introduced the 101 in 1963.

Gun Trader's Guide shows the 101 was made from 1963 to 1981.

I have reference material that shows the following: MODEL 101 SHOTGUN - Over/Under, break open shotgun made in Japan by Olin-Kodensha from 1963. Serial numbers begin with "K".

One could assume the "K" stands for Kodensha.

Here is where it gets weird. The Blue Book of Gun Values shows a chart for 101 serial numbers.

It begins in in the year 1959 and ends with the year 1971.

It shows they began making them in October of 1959, starting with serial number 50,000.

The last record begins in May of 1971, beginning with serial number 145,000.

It's possible that either; 1. Production started in 1959, but they were not released for retail until 1963, or 2. The serial number chart is totally wrong.

Clear as mud?


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:32 pm 
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Yep, pretty muddy!

The guy I bought it from (not the original owner) thought that it was an early 80's gun. Not sure where he got that info from. I'll do some digging to see if I can piece together some info from different sources.

If anyone else has information, would be greatly appreciated.

BTW - the "K" thing sounds like it would make sense. Does anyone else have a different letter code or no code on theirs?


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:54 am 
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To add to the mystery the records of the Kodensha were always kept seceret because they were making and selling guns under contract with Winchester and selling some of them out the back door all over the world. All the early records of the Kodensha plant were destroyed. The Kodensha plant was in Tochigi,Japan.

According to my records, your gun dates from early November,1967.

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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:43 am 
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Wow, that's a big discrepancy from the seller's early 80's guess! I'll go back to him to see what his basis for this was. Does anyone know if there were any changes in the guns over time that would help differentiate between them?

Does anyone have a 101 that they bought new and would be willing to share approx serial number and year purchased? Could start putting together a bit of a timeline if we could get some data from original owners (although it won't be exact for manufacturing date, it will approximate).


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:50 am 
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Here are some serial #s and dates that the guns were purchased or given as gifts from Olin to relatives and family friends:

#57xxx - 1963

#86xxx - 1965 Presentation gun/Gift to Dad from Olin-Mathenson

#104xxx - 1967

#109xxx - 1967 Custom shop presentation gun delivered Feb.68

#141xxx -1971

I have these guns with their paper work. Also have # 117xxx that I believe to be from 1968 and # 144xxx that I believe to be from 1971. The gun numbered #144xxx was a gift to my uncle.

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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:27 pm 
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The seller is probably right about early 80's.

I think A5 misread your serial #, he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Your SN is 190,000 which would put it way after 1971.


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:18 am 
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Wingmater is correct. I subtracted a digit. Sorry! :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:41 am 
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I have PK 2593XX, 20 ga.I beleive the "P" stands for Pigeon Grade. No Idea when it was made, I purchased used in 1994 or 95


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:58 am 
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I have a Win 101 in 20 ga that I purchased new in first year of 20 ga. production (1967?). Exact time gets away from me as I am 65 and have CRS syndrome LOL. Serial #204xxx. Can anyone give me the right year of Mfg? Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:02 pm 
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1966 by the data I have.


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:41 pm 
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I have been gone hunting. When I returned today,I looked the serial number up and my data shows 1966,too.

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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:31 pm 
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I've been away from home for several days. I thought 1967 for sure but at my age 1966 will work just fine. Have 5 101's including a Pigeon 3 BBl set for the wife . She shoots the 28 ga. on doves and cleans my plow on a regular basis with it. Lordy, I sure do like the 101's. Thanks again for for all the help on dating this one.
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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:28 pm 
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I know this thread is several years old but I have a 101 that I bought in 1972 or 1973 new and the serial number is K163xxx. According to what I have just read mine should have been made later than when I bought it right?


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:53 am 
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Hi guys, I just registered onto your site and I may be able to shed some light on the 101. My father in law, who passed away 24 years ago, purchased a 101 in Japan. The serial number is K145561. He was stationed in Japan from 1968 to 1977. The Winchester data base shows that number coinciding with 1967-1968. My mother in law just told me about rifles that he had in the attic. They/we live in California. In the attic I found a pristine 101 in a case that hasnt seen daylight in 24 years. Inside the case was a registration card from Yokosuka Japan for Jan 20 1972. It seems tht the registration log through Winchester is correct. Let me know what you think.


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:27 pm 
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I have some Winchester 12g shotguns 2 of them were purchased new in New Zealand in 1989 they are both 6500 XTR Trap 30" fixed choke the serial numbers are K5430__E and K5430__E. Another 2 of my Winchester shotguns are Pigeon Grade XTR and they were purchased second hand in the early 80s and the serial numbers of those are PK5375__E and PK4664__E. The first one is a 27" skeet gun and the second one is a 30" Trap with win chokes.


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:20 pm 
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I have a 20 ga. 101 that I purchased in late 1984. It is an XTR and has the serial number of PK278XXX. I still have the hang tag and box and the tag says the gun is a Pigeon Grade Featherweight.


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:34 am 
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G'day All,

Been following this thread as I've just acquired a Winchester 101 XTR Trap (in Sydney, Australia) which had ALL the original documents in the case. It's in 12 gauge, 30" barrels with interchangeable chokes, and ejectors.

This is is a little unique as the timber work is French polished from the factory (not oiled or lacquered). The other thing that is a little different, is that all the engraved scroll work on the blued surfaces are gold inlayed, however all the engraved scroll work on the silver surfaces are not infilled. The case is actually leather exterior and felt lined interior, with gold fittings and hardware.

There is a certificate that would seem to indicate it was a limited edition factory custom of some sort (number 85 of 101), which probably explains all the fancy finish and attention to detail.

Anyway for $1,100 (Australian) it seemed like an absolute bargain, plus I just loved the look of the gun.

It has the Serial number K437xxx.

Unfortunately the registration certificate had not been filled in, but that aside on the back of 2 of the Winchester documents they are date stamped for issue 6/76 (June 1976).

Now, while that does not automatically identify the gun was produced in 1976 as production documents can often be used for several years, it does identify that the gun was produced sometime between June 1976 and May 1981 when production ceased.

Apparently Winchester Australia has accurate importation records dating back decades, so I've sent off an email to see what light they can shed on 101 serial numbers.

Hope this information helps with narrowing down the age of 101 guns.


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:41 am 
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This post quite a few years behind the original. I have a 101 I acquired this year ( 2015 ) for a song, well well below current selling price. I have been trying to figure out what year it was made and like many, referring to Blue Book dates of mftg abruptly ends after 71. This gun has gorgeous wood and looks to be almost new, 98/99 %( a 12 ga / 28 in ) #K163XXX as in Model70guy's post the serial # is preceded by a 'K' . Anyhow one of the Gents posts would seem to pretty closely date my gun around 73, just what I suspected. I'm in my mid 60's now, but 73 would be the year I just had to have an O/U so I went down and bought a Citori without even looking at the 101's, which was in my mind, but would of required driving a few cities farther to look at one. They are a beautiful gun. I still have the 20 ga Citori, and kind of wish this 101 was a 20 ga as well, however glad I came across this deal. I would like to know what the 'K' represents assuming most guns are without a letter prefix.


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 Post subject: Re: Win 101 Date of Manufacture
PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:50 pm 
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Interesting that I came across this post while trying to find out when my own 101 was made. I tried looking up serial numbers and the most complete list I found was the NRAs. Yet, even they only had numbers up to 1971 for the 101. The serial numbers went up to the 200,000s. My 101 number is 303***. There is no K or PK before the number. According to the records NRA has, it should. As usual I have more questions now than I did before. Hopefully someone knows something and can help me out here. Maybe the information I provided can help someone identify their own gun.




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