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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:37 pm 
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This pic shows the forearm iron removed, the right side ejector hammer in the tripped position, and the end of the screwdriver I modified to remove the ejector spring. The original and replacement springs as well as the spring guide rod are shown in the background.

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:07 pm 
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You can pick up a set of cheapo hollow ground screwdriver set (bits and driver) at Harbor Freight for under $10. The metal may give, but I would rather have the bit give then shear the head off of a screw.


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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:48 pm 
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Just did this mod on my Older BT-99 Plus, Fairly easy to do, works Awesome!

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:43 pm 
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I made a modification which make the spring changing easier on the Citori. Fire both barrels using spent shells or dummies. Open the action and then remove the forearm. This removes the spring tension. Removing and anchoring forearm bracket, the spring and ejector hammer spring guide can easily be remove with needle nose pliers. Make sure to hold the spring and guide with finger and thumb while removal.
Unfortunately the spring change did not work for me. The ejectors usually only move as far as in the picture for the top barrel (no spring). So I am thinking about buying a pair of ejector springs and cut off coils or finding a compression spring somewhere between the two.
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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:51 pm 
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Proud new owner of a late model Citori here. I don't need the shells lifted very far so I think I would be happy enough with simply removing the ejector springs. My question is what to do with the little rods inside the spring? It may be obvious once I get in there, but I'd like to know beforehand. Do the rods go back in place? Or are the springs and rods both removed? Any risks running the gun without springs?

Thank you all for your help!

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:05 pm 
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The springs hold the rods in place against the hammers. The rods have no way of being held in position once the springs are removed.
I found the easies way to remove springs is to release the hammers, If you dry fire both barrel (remember citori has inertia triggers, the second trigger need to be set by bumping the gun butt or switching barrel selector) and open the action and carefully remove the forearm the hammers will be released. You can also release the hammers by releasing the ejector sears (part no. 23). The sears are held in place by the pin to be remove in the original post. This takes the enough press off the spring that they can be remove with needle nose pliers. Remember to hold the spring/rod with thumb and finger. If you want you can do this without removing forearm bracket, but be careful.


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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:51 am 
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I'm not sure if that'll cause problems or not (running without any springs). My concern would be the loose hammers with nothing to positively locate them. My gun is a 725, slightly different. If you can get a set of 1911 springs without too much trouble, that's the path I'd take. If you shoot with gloves, picking shells off the extractors is a nuisance on every shot.


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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:01 pm 
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zaphor wrote:
Unfortunately the spring change did not work for me. The ejectors usually only move as far as in the picture for the top barrel (no spring).
Did you press the trigger before opening the gun? This would account for the ejector not lifting the shell very far. Remember, the ejector hammer won't fire unless the trigger has been pressed.

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My question is what to do with the little rods inside the spring?
You will have to take them out. Without the spring, they would just flop around inside the forearm and cause problems. I'm not sure how the ejector hammers will fare without any tension on them.

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(remember citori has inertia triggers, the second trigger need to be set by bumping the gun butt or switching barrel selector)
You don't have to bump it or move the selector. Just turning the safety on and back off will select the second barrel.

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:31 pm 
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Rastoff wrote:

zaphor wrote:
(remember citori has inertia triggers, the second trigger need to be set by bumping the gun butt or switching barrel selector)
You don't have to bump it or move the selector. Just turning the safety on and back off will select the second barrel.


That's something I didn't know.. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:30 pm 
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I have done this modification to my 12 and 20 ga. Citori's.
I didn't slot a screw driver as above but slotted slip joint
pliers for the spring compression.

Put the new springs in by hand.

Works great. Thanks for the idea!


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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:33 am 
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Excellent info. I used it to convert my Citori XT. I ordered the 1911 springs but before they arrived was fooling around with the ejector mechanism. I accidentally popped out the springs and my fingers weren't strong enough to get them back in.

Looked through my parts bin and found the Browning Buckmark Pistol Recoil spring fits too. You can get both extractor springs from one recoil spring. I installed in on my XT and it works great. When the 1911 springs came in did my wifes XT with them.

The Buckmark spring is slightly stiffer than the 1911 spring but still extracts instead of ejecting. If you own a 1911 buy the 1911 springs for dual purpose parts. If you have Buckmark pistols then the Buckmark spring can be bought to also serve dual purpose. (I always like to keep spare parts around especially springs.)

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:34 am 
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1911 versus Buckmark Recoil Spring Observations/Comparisons.

I have the 1911 springs in my wifes Citory. Yesterday one of her barrels quit lifting the spent shell. I believe the problem is the longer 1911 spring buckled on the shaft and was contacting the forarm preventing the ejector hammer from cocking. I rotated the spring on the shaft and it now has the buckled part facing away from the forarm and the ejector hammer is able to cock again.

The Buckmark spring is stronger. There is no buckle when it is installed. It has to be cut off to roughly the length of the shaft flange to the end of the shaft. If too long the shells fall out when the gun is opened. My shotgun was new when I did the installation and it worked fine as an extractor initially. Then it developed more spring and started causing the shells to fall out. It was a light enough ejection that all I had to do was hold the barrel vertical and they would drop back down. I've since cut the springs shorter to the length specified above.

Cost comparison. Buckmark spring and 1911 spring cost the same but you get both replacement springs from one Buckmark spring. Cost of both is so low I'd recommend buying both to see which one you find works the best for you. I'm still unsure which we will end up with in both guns or if they both work equally so don't bother with more changes.

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 10:06 pm 
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TyrVater wrote:
1911 versus Buckmark Recoil Spring Observations/Comparisons.

I have the 1911 springs in my wifes Citory. Yesterday one of her barrels quit lifting the spent shell. I believe the problem is the longer 1911 spring buckled on the shaft and was contacting the forarm preventing the ejector hammer from cocking. I rotated the spring on the shaft and it now has the buckled part facing away from the forarm and the ejector hammer is able to cock again.

The Buckmark spring is stronger. There is no buckle when it is installed. It has to be cut off to roughly the length of the shaft flange to the end of the shaft. If too long the shells fall out when the gun is opened. My shotgun was new when I did the installation and it worked fine as an extractor initially. Then it developed more spring and started causing the shells to fall out. It was a light enough ejection that all I had to do was hold the barrel vertical and they would drop back down. I've since cut the springs shorter to the length specified above.

Cost comparison. Buckmark spring and 1911 spring cost the same but you get both replacement springs from one Buckmark spring. Cost of both is so low I'd recommend buying both to see which one you find works the best for you. I'm still unsure which we will end up with in both guns or if they both work equally so don't bother with more changes.


Would this be the correct Buck Mark spring? http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/ ... 3=Browning

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 7:43 am 
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mh454 wrote:
TyrVater wrote:
1911 versus Buckmark Recoil Spring Observations/Comparisons.

I have the 1911 springs in my wifes Citory. Yesterday one of her barrels quit lifting the spent shell. I believe the problem is the longer 1911 spring buckled on the shaft and was contacting the forarm preventing the ejector hammer from cocking. I rotated the spring on the shaft and it now has the buckled part facing away from the forarm and the ejector hammer is able to cock again.

The Buckmark spring is stronger. There is no buckle when it is installed. It has to be cut off to roughly the length of the shaft flange to the end of the shaft. If too long the shells fall out when the gun is opened. My shotgun was new when I did the installation and it worked fine as an extractor initially. Then it developed more spring and started causing the shells to fall out. It was a light enough ejection that all I had to do was hold the barrel vertical and they would drop back down. I've since cut the springs shorter to the length specified above.

Cost comparison. Buckmark spring and 1911 spring cost the same but you get both replacement springs from one Buckmark spring. Cost of both is so low I'd recommend buying both to see which one you find works the best for you. I'm still unsure which we will end up with in both guns or if they both work equally so don't bother with more changes.


Would this be the correct Buck Mark spring? http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/ ... 3=Browning

Thanks!


No that appears to be a firing pin spring. The spring is the "Recoil Spring Buck Mark Rifel, Pistol". It's the spring that fits over the recoil guide rod. I ordered mine from Midway USA and it's shown there with Browning "# B5150481" and sells for $2.99.

They are currently out of stock but suppose to be back in stock 17th this month. I have three currently on back order since I used my last one for my wife's Citori and want to keep spares for my pistols.

Brownells might have them in stock. You can cut both springs out of one recoil spring but I'd order extra in case something goes wrong cutting it down.

I set the length on mine by putting it on the ejector rod and cutting off all of the spring protruding beyond the end of the rod with a set of wire cutters.

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 5:15 pm 
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TyrVater wrote:
No that appears to be a firing pin spring. The spring is the "Recoil Spring Buck Mark Rifel, Pistol". It's the spring that fits over the recoil guide rod. I ordered mine from Midway USA and it's shown there with Browning "# B5150481" and sells for $2.99.

They are currently out of stock but suppose to be back in stock 17th this month. I have three currently on back order since I used my last one for my wife's Citori and want to keep spares for my pistols.

Brownells might have them in stock. You can cut both springs out of one recoil spring but I'd order extra in case something goes wrong cutting it down.

I set the length on mine by putting it on the ejector rod and cutting off all of the spring protruding beyond the end of the rod with a set of wire cutters.


Thanks for the part number and information. Going to order two of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:49 pm 
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I may have missed it somewhere in this 12 page thread.
Can you post the Cynergy break open tension solution please.


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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
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Can you post the Cynergy break open tension solution please.

Shoot me an email: rastoff1@gmail.com Include your screen name so I know who you are.

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I just converted my Citori to extractors. The 1911 firing pin return springs were called Extra Power. First I cut off two coils and the gun was still kicking out the shells. After I cut off one more coil the shells were lifted nicely the way I wanted it.

Thanks Rastoff for sharing that idea. :D

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Here's a link to another very good post for cleaning O/U's. Hopefully it's not already linked here.

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 Post subject: Re: Ejectors into Extractors-Citori, Cynergy & BT-99(w/pics)
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I just removed the ejector sears on my Cynergy Classic Sporting as suggested at the top of this thread. It took me less than 5 minutes. Now my shotgun extracts perfectly.

Many thanks to the original poster and to all who have contributed to this thread.

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