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 Post subject: Re: Find your Browning manufacture date
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:56 pm 
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Hello, I'm back in Germany again and just picked up a really cheap Auto 5 16 Gauge on egun.de. It's in pretty rough shape but I need a good restoration project. The serial number is 485761. The 61 is smaller than the other numbers. The barrel and receiver numbers match. It has a single piece lifter and the barrel is marked FN Acier Special and the receiver says Browning. Any idea what the date of manufacture is?




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 Post subject: Re: Find your Browning manufacture date
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:27 pm 
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I believe that's a 1961 gun. I thought the smaller digits for the date came before the S/N, but I'm not an expert on World Market Auto-5's.

I am curious, how do you buy a shotgun in Europe? And, how do you bring it back home? Seems like it'd be a paperwork nightmare.


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 Post subject: Re: Find your Browning manufacture date
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:18 am 
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Thanks, common sense tried to tell me that the small 61 meant it was manufactured in 1961 but I just wanted to check with the forum. I was thinking it should have had the two piece shell lifter in 1961, I wish it did.

It is quite a process to buy guns in Germany and bring them home. In Germany you have to have a need to purchase a firearm. The need is met by either having a hunting license or a sport shooting license. Neither of which are easy to obtain. I have a hunting license from when I was over here before. I had to take a bunch of classes and take a test, it was actually a pretty cool experience getting to learn about all the German hunting customs. Then to bring them back to the US you have to get ATF import permits, no big deal just takes time.


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 Post subject: Re: Find your Browning manufacture date
PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:16 pm 
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I'm constantly seeing posts from Europeans who buy classic Auto-5's for a song. I guess the reason is that restrictive laws make for a small market. Still, it'd have to be one heck of a bargain for me to put up with all of the red tape.

I'm surprised your gun doesn't have Speed Load. The S/V book does say that after 1953 many guns were sold without it until the old parts were used up; one would think that would have occurred by 1961. They probably concentrated on the American market first, as it was invented by Val Browning and not by FN engineers.


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 Post subject: Re: Find your Browning manufacture date
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:53 am 
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Germany does have the 4th highest gun ownership per capita in the world but I do think they prefer to buy new over used. There are lot's of good deals to be had.

If the speed load came around in 1953 it is hard to believe that a 1961 gun would not have it. I'm wondering if was in fact built before 1961, maybe the small 61 in the serial number doesn't designate 1961?


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 Post subject: Re: Find your Browning manufacture date
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:45 pm 
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I doubt it. They probably had many thousands of the one-piece carriers to use up. It's also possible your carrier was replaced somewhere along the way.


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 Post subject: Re: Find your Browning manufacture date
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I had a Sweet with sn A48 that had the 2 piece, and I believe it was a 1953.


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 Post subject: Re: Find your Browning manufacture date
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:20 pm 
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Tijeras_Slim wrote:
I had a Sweet with sn A48 that had the 2 piece, and I believe it was a 1953.


You really know how to muddy the water, Slim. A48 could be 1953, but it could also be 1958. I think I know enough to tell the difference, but you've sold it, haven't you?


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