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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:22 am 
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I cut my friction ring in half. Now I have two of them, and either works with 7/8 ounce loads. End of story.




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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:59 pm 
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I'll add this here, a double post more or less from the other thread.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=438029

sawfish, the OP there gave me the idea.

I have a 30-inch bbl Lt-12 that is "stiff". It needs a light setting for buckshot loads and on the light setting has issues with 7/8 and 1 oz loads. I have spare friction rings from my Mag-12 so I just replaced the Lt-12 BRONZE friction piece on the muzzle end of the recoil spring against the barrel ring and then placed the steel ring against the receiver, and tried it.

Bingo! Works great!!

Basically, it is kind of like what lowgun is doing, since the Mag-12 bronze friction piece is more or less half the width of the Lt-12 friction piece so it provides some braking, but "not that much" braking.

I'd much prefer doing this than running the gun on spring pressure-only, as with only the spring there is no braking effect when the barrel returns to the front of the tube/collides with the forearm, not to mention the lack of any braking effect when the action is opening up. The latter might be no big deal as it might be just fine if that's what it takes to function a certain load. Anyhow, maybe this would work for guys that want to shoot the really light loads.

And this all begs another question.

If a guy is shooting really heavy-kicking loads in a Mag-12, he might be able to add a Lt-12 bronze ring setup on top of one Mag-12 friction ring to add additional braking effect. Maybe, not sure, but it might be helpful for guys with a "loose" Mag-12, especially older guns with chopped or vent-ribless bbls.


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 Post subject: Re: Failure to eject in extreme cold
PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 7:53 pm 
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beach004 wrote:
Rather than start a new thread, I will piggy-back here; I think my question is close enough to the main topic for that.
" Every year we have trouble getting shells to eject. I've tried setting the friction ring for light loads, tried a variety of lubricants; I can't get it to reliably work.
My question is, what can I do? Particularly (and this will likely start an argument): what lubricant (if any) is best to use on the friction tube, under these extreme conditions? "
Beach004


In the low temperatures you are talking about you use NO lubricant on the magazine tube. Wipe it dry.


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 Post subject: Re: Failure to eject in extreme cold
PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 8:43 pm 
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NWNCMike wrote:
beach004 wrote:
Rather than start a new thread, I will piggy-back here; I think my question is close enough to the main topic for that.
" Every year we have trouble getting shells to eject. I've tried setting the friction ring for light loads, tried a variety of lubricants; I can't get it to reliably work.
My question is, what can I do? Particularly (and this will likely start an argument): what lubricant (if any) is best to use on the friction tube, under these extreme conditions? "
Beach004


In the low temperatures you are talking about you use NO lubricant on the magazine tube. Wipe it dry.


Not necessarily.

A bone dry tube at deep cold temps may provide to much friction for those loads that normally run efficiently.

A bit of modern cold-insensitive lube such as G96 may keep reliability at 100%.


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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:19 pm 
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On my Sweet 16, the bronze friction ring is a little tight. As in, it is kind of sticky when sliding on the magazine tube like it is fitted tight. And this is after a drop of oil is on the tube. The one on my 1971 20 ga. A5 is not like that and slides easily. Is either one of these things a problem?


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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:05 pm 
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budrock56 wrote:
On my Sweet 16, the bronze friction ring is a little tight. As in, it is kind of sticky when sliding on the magazine tube like it is fitted tight. And this is after a drop of oil is on the tube. The one on my 1971 20 ga. A5 is not like that and slides easily. Is either one of these things a problem?


If the gun is reliable, it doesn't matter. You didn't mention that it was choking, so my only response is that you shouldn't worry about it. Truth is, you can squeeze/bend a bronze ring and make it "feel" tighter as it sits on the tube, but under the running of the gun not notice it.

If the gun isn't functioning right, maybe bend it out a bit, but I don't think it'll make that much difference.

The bevels are designed to mate in such as way that the faster/harder the barrel moves backward, the harder the bronze right is "clamped" to the barrel.


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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:40 pm 
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Thanks. Bought the 20 recently but have not shot it yet. The 16 shot fine last year. I was just wondering if it mattered whether the bronze ring was tight or loose on a magazine tube as it relates to function.


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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:50 pm 
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FINFN wrote:
How old is this gun? -58?


Hi FinFN,
You are from Finland right ? Im from Sweden so we live next Doors
Your 16/65 is probably quite old , dot you have cross bolt safety or
Is safety placed in front of fingerguard ? You kan shoot 16/67 ammo but NOT
W/O friction rings , you need the friction ring bronze and spring + friction ring.

Gamebore make 16/67 lead ammo.

/P


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 Post subject: Re: re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:56 pm 
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bgoldhunter wrote:
http://www.browning.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=105

Seems it got lost when Browning changed the website


New link:
http://www.browning.com/support/frequently-asked-questions/how-do-i-change-the-rings-on-my-auto-5.html


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 Post subject: Auto 5 friction rin
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:55 am 
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What would you consider a fair price for a Japanese made browning.
I know it all depends on the shape of the gun, but I have never really seen one in bad shape.
Are most all of the brownings engraved?
I have seen grades on these guns, can anyone explain that?


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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:47 am 
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I sold one a couple of years ago for $395, and it was in good shape. It was a Japanese light Twelve with a 30" full fixed choke vent rib barrel. I had it priced for $499 in a local gun shop as a consignment sale for over a year with no takers. Then I took it to a gun show and unloaded it for $395 and was glad to get it.

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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:34 pm 
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e49735 wrote:
... I recently inherited an A5 and would like to shoot real light loads for skeet...as in 3/4 oz...and I am wondering if anyone ever changed the spring inside for super light loads to get the gun to cycle ...

A recoil spring from a much-used older gun will be shorter and weaker than a new recoil spring. I've saved a couple of those for use with light loads.

Also, I noticed earlier in the thread that someone suggested taking the bronze friction piece off altogether. I hope you didn't try that, because if you did the barrel ring and the magazine tube scored and battered each other. From Browning's website:

"THE GUN SHOULD NEVER BE FIRED WITHOUT BRONZE FRICTION PIECE IN PLACE."


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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:55 pm 
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It was me. That procedure was actually recommended by Remington for the Model 11 for loads that were too light to function with the friction ring. It was published in the Remington pre war service manual. Proceed at your own risk

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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:12 am 
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casonet wrote:
It was me. That procedure was actually recommended by Remington for the Model 11 for loads that were too light to function with the friction ring. It was published in the Remington pre war service manual. Proceed at your own risk

The friction RING, which is made of steel, can and should be removed (or stored against the receiver aft of the recoil spring) for light loads.

The friction PIECE, which is made of bronze, should never be removed.

I don't know anything about Remington Model 11s, but I bought an Auto-5 once from which the bronze friction piece was missing. Without that bronze piece between them, the steel barrel ring and the steel magazine tube had irreparably damaged each other.


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 Post subject: Re: Auto 5 friction ring/s settings & additional info
PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:43 am 
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The Remington Model 11 is almost an exact copy of the Auto 5. The friction piece and ring on the Model 11 are slightly different as is the recoil spring. It’s much beefier in the 11



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