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 Post subject: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 8:52 pm 
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Recently I tried the blue Rio 1oz 8'd in my 1100. They pattern nice, but the ejection was very weak. Some barely ejected a foot while some didn't eject at all. The guy was cleaned prior to shooting w a new oring installed. Anyone else have this problem and does anyone have any suggestions like maybe doubling up on the oring or any other trick for sure positive ejection. Thanks.




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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:14 pm 
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Does your gun work OK with other one ounce 1200 fps loads? I just shot a few Rios through a Browning A5 and they worked just fine.

Maybe your ports need cleaning? Are you sure it's put back together correctly?

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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:41 pm 
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Yeah I'm sure it's assembled correctly. I cleaned the ports w a drill bit like I always do. It's been a while since I ran some other 1 oz shells in it, but I don't remember it ever having trouble with them.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:42 pm 
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My isue with Rios not ejecting was caused by a poorly formed rim on the brass. The extractor had nothing to grab hold of. I could usually find enough in the box with "acceptable" brass to load as the first shell and eject.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:45 pm 
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I don't shoot my 1100 often but when I do shoot it I usually run Rio 1-ounce #8 shells. I haven't had any problems.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 9:47 pm 
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Jcollette wrote:
Yeah I'm sure it's assembled correctly. I cleaned the ports w a drill bit like I always do. It's been a while since I ran some other 1 oz shells in it, but I don't remember it ever having trouble with them.


Run another brand of 1 ounce 1200 fps through it now and that will answer your question as to whether it's the gun or the ammo.

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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 3:18 am 
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Thanks brad for the advice. I'll have to put the rest of the box under study to see if the rims are messed up.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 6:38 pm 
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Check that your gas piston rings are in correctly. Both of my 1100s have no problems with 1 oz Rios or any other 1 oz load.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 7:22 pm 
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This might be just a maybe, but I reload 12 GA. Rio's to 1 oz and have never had a problem with my 1100 Sporting model. Some friends with the 3" magnums do have problems on occasion with 1 oz loads. Sometimes a good cleaning including the gas ports takes care of things, other times not.

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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 5:46 pm 
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We have a club member with the same issue of Rios and his 1100 Sporting 12 gauge.
Everything else runs fine, but not those Rios.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 6:44 pm 
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Not sure it would help but you might change your recoil spring. Couldn't hurt.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 7:49 pm 
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Thanks for all the advice. It's a standard 2 3/4 chambered gun. It cycled some estate 1 1/8 #8's just fine. Maybe it's just not liking the rios. I thought I thoroughly cleaned out the ports w a drill bit , but I'll have to double check that and the recoil spring.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 11:43 pm 
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Changing the recoil spring - I assume you meant action spring - may very well hurt cycling with light loads. Seen more than one spring changer have to change them back.

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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:04 am 
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Same situation with my Browning Gold. To me it is what it is, the gun works perfect otherwise. It's only friendly trap shooting, otherwise the shells preform most excellently.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 1:03 pm 
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If shooting "low power" shells is causing weak ejection I would not recommend replacing the action spring. I will make the problem worse. Action springs don't get stiffer over time...


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:57 am 
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I've pulled in over 50 sporting clays tournaments over the years and over these years I nicknamed the Remington 1100 the "jammamatic". My brother has owned two that jammed all the time and for every jam in a Beretta I saw in a tournament, I saw 20 in the 1100's (conservatively). I never thought that ammo manufacturing could be a contributor. I'll watch out for that in future tournaments I work in.

I've heard of 1100's people own that have gone thousands of rounds without a hiccup. That would be a rare gun in my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:19 pm 
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Not rare, just properly maintained and fed.


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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:24 pm 
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You are aware of course that the 1100 holds the world record for consecutive shots without a jam: 24,000 as I recall; a LT 20. Virginian will no doubt be along shortly to fill in the details.

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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:51 pm 
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Yes, 24,000 plus.
An 1100 is the perfect example of "a semi auto's worst enemy is the nut on the back of the stock". Properly cleaned, lubricated, and maintained they are as reliable as any gun made. They are not as flexible - 3-1/2" to 2-3/4" loads - as some, and they do not run as clean as some newer designs, and they are not featherweights, but they are reliable. I have never seen one I couldn't get running like a watch in short order.
All cheap shells by even one manufacturer are often not the same. They buy components based on price and they can change powders that will affect a gas action. Ask Colt how the Defense Department's decision to change to a powder that was about 2 cents cheaper per 100 pounds affected the M-16. Led to the introduction of the bolt forward assist. And people want the government to run health care. Scary.

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 Post subject: Re: 1100 and Rio 1oz 8's
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:15 pm 
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Virginian wrote:
Yes, 24,000 plus.
An 1100 is the perfect example of "a semi auto's worst enemy is the nut on the back of the stock". Properly cleaned, lubricated, and maintained they are as reliable as any gun made. They are not as flexible - 3-1/2" to 2-3/4" loads - as some, and they do not run as clean as some newer designs, and they are not featherweights, but they are reliable. I have never seen one I couldn't get running like a watch in short order.
All cheap shells by even one manufacturer are often not the same. They buy components based on price and they can change powders that will affect a gas action. Ask Colt how the Defense Department's decision to change to a powder that was about 2 cents cheaper per 100 pounds affected the M-16. Led to the introduction of the bolt forward assist. And people want the government to run health care. Scary.


I wouldn't argue with a word of this, but I'll offer this reply. Any gun sold to the mass public that needs such meticulous care and cleaning to keep running smoothly is destined for problems. Beretta autos sure don't. Sure, Virginian could probably do exactly what he says he can - get one "running like a watch in short order", but I'll wager 99% of the rest of the 1100 owners can't, and therein lies the problem. Like I said, I have nothing against Remington at all (the 870 Wingmaster is one of the most reliable guns on the planet) - but 17 years of observations of thousands and thousands of shells through a hundred or more gun designs and I'm here to tell you, there are a lot of 1100's out there that flat out don't "run like a watch".




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