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 Post subject: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:54 am 
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So I'm in the market for a new 20 gauge autoloader and I've got it narrowed down to the above mentioned autos. Besides the cosmetic differences and the 11-87's ability to handle 3" shells, are there any more differences between the two? Are they still both based on the LT-20 action? Do they both use the two piece piston? Thanks in advance for the help.




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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:58 am 
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Same receiver, different finish. As far as I know all the 20s still use the original (old) style two piece piston. Sporting has a 28" barrel in 20 gauge versus the 26" on the 11-87. Remington is currently showing new Sporting 20s as unavailable from them (NOT discontinued), but there are plenty around.

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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:40 pm 
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Awesome. Thanks again Virginian for your help. Is there any difference in using light loads in the 11-87 vs 1100?


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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
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The 11-87 twenties that I have been around shoot light dove loads without a problem.

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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:04 pm 
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The 20 gauge 11-87 comes with a barrel seal activator, like the SuperMag, and they usually work fine with that installed. Don't forget to remove it when shooting heavy loads.

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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:14 pm 
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Cool. Good to know. Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:12 am 
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Is the finish on the sporting series as durable as the finish on the older 1100's? While I plan on using it for mostly clay games, I will use it for rabbit and occasional bird hunting. It's no big deal if it gets a little scratched as I see my guns as tools, but I don't abuse them and do try to keep them in the best shape as well. Stuff happens I agree, but I also need all the help I can get cause I'm a clutz.


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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:07 pm 
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The 1100 Sportings have a deep blue metal finish and that bowling ball-tough DuPont high gloss epoxy over the wood.

Should be durable enough.


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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:15 pm 
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As far as the blueing, if the 1100 blue is the same as the basic Wingmaster, than likely not. Having had two new Wingmasters in early 2016 the blue is NOT as durable as my older Wingmaster, after one season of light use the blue had worn at the edges of the receiver and edge of barrel at the muzzle, both guns passed to my sons when I decided to go all 20GA......Also noted on both my guns the barrel blue in direct sun light had a gray haze and a mottled look.......It could be possible the blue of the 1100 is more like that of the American Classic Wingmaster which was better than my basic guns......Some will dispute my opinion, thats OK.


JMHO......I would spend the extra $ for the 1100.

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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:34 pm 
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Another difference, which may or may or may not be of any interest to you, is that the 1100 Sporting 20 comes with four extended Briley choke tubes (S, IC, LM, M) and the 11-87 20 comes with three flush choke tubes (IC, M, F). I have one of each model and they both function very reliably. I prefer the 1100 Sporting 20 for the more highly figured wood and the longer barrel.

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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
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Do they both take the same threaded chokes? And do they make a target barrel for the 11-87?


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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
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Jcollette wrote:
Do they both take the same threaded chokes? And do they make a target barrel for the 11-87?


Yes, the choke tubes are interchangeable in both guns. As far as I know there is only one type of 20 gauge 11-87 barrel but you may want to check the Remington website to be sure.

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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:03 am 
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Barrels.....Check the Remington factory site, tons of factory parts, ShopRemington. Also many barrels surface on e-bay all the time, just need to be a bit patient,

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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
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Virginian wrote:
The 20 gauge 11-87 comes with a barrel seal activator, like the SuperMag, and they usually work fine with that installed. Don't forget to remove it when shooting heavy loads.


I have a 20 gauge 11-87 and I just found out about this. Can somebody define "heavy" loads for me?


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 Post subject: Re: New 1100 sporting 20 vs new 11-87 sportsman 20
PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:19 pm 
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S.davis wrote:
Virginian wrote:
The 20 gauge 11-87 comes with a barrel seal activator, like the SuperMag, and they usually work fine with that installed. Don't forget to remove it when shooting heavy loads.


I have a 20 gauge 11-87 and I just found out about this. Can somebody define "heavy" loads for me?


A heavy load would be something akin to a 2 3/4" 1oz heavy game load, like Remington express long range,or a federal premium prairie storm or a deer slug, or any 3" magnum shell. If you fire magnum shells through an 11-87 with the activator installed it can cause premature wear or parts breakage because the gas system is not venting off excess gas, causing the gun to cycle with a unnecessarily high bolt speed. My 11-87 20ga will cycle most of the lighter loads with the barrel seal activator removed, the only light loads it tends to struggle with are federal top gun target loads. YMMV as a buddy of of mine has the same gun and will not cycle any target or low brass game loads with the barrel seal activator removed. His works fine with light loads with the activator installed, but with it removed he needs to feed it high brass 1oz game loads or 3" mags for it to cycle properly.

The biggest difference between the 11-87 and the 1100 is the 11-87 has a vent on the gas ring attached to the barrel that is designed to vent off excess gas of magnum shells. however if the vent is not sealed, the gun may not cycle lighter loads due to it venting off gas, the barrel seal activator nullifies this vent, allowing the gun to cycle lighter loads. I've seen several examples of 1100s with cracked bolt buffers, and peened receivers because someone who was not savvy enough fired a bunch of magnum shells through a gun designed for light target loads. its the same concept as the friction rings in a Auto 5. sure you can fire magnum shells with the friction rings on the light load setting, but how long before you crack the stock or forearm? once again I've seen a lot of auto 5s with busted up stocks because someone inherited grandads old rabbit gun and decided to blast away with 00 buck without adjusting the gun for heavier loads, due to pure ignorance.




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