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 Post subject: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , please
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:04 pm 
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Hey guys,

I just bought a Mossberg 500 ATP. The serial # is H757xxx. My best guess from reading what I could find was it was manufactured in the early 80s. Anyone here know for sure?

It looks great and functions better than it looks. Trigger guard is some kind or real hard plastic. It had me fooled for a couple of seconds.

The action is real slick and surprisingly it shucks a dummy shell with just a pretty light pull on the forearm though I know that's not the way to do it in real-life situations.

Now some questions.

It had the original barrel on it which was 24" with rifle sights. I mentioned to the seller that I would probably look for an 18.5" bead barrel for it.

The seller said he had an 18.5" barrel with a bead and he'd be happy to trade barrels if I wanted to. We did the trade, and in retrospect, maybe he seemed a little "too happy" to do it.

Is that 24" barrel worth more than the 18.5" I traded for? Both barrels are in perfect condition. I called him later and he said he'd have no problem trading back. : )

Shame on me. All I have is two dummy shells in the house so I can't be sure, but the tube on this thing is about 15." I'm guessing it holds 5 + 1. Does it?

Anything you Mossberg guys can tell me about this will be greatly appreciated. It feels to me like I got a pretty decent shotgun for $225. But I don't know Mossbergs at all. Their alphabet soup names gives me fits.

So please fellas, take me to school on this one if you can.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:39 pm 
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I was hoping to hear something before the football games start today. After they start, I figure the chances of getting some answers decreases dramatically.

Oh well, tomorrow's another day.


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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 3:56 pm 
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From what I've seen, used and new, the rifle sighted barrels (smoothbore, 'Slugger' types which have been around a long time - they do offer these as rifled, sabot-shooters nowadays) usually retail for more than the plain, bead sighted barrels with fixed chokes. Typically, this makes sense as the upgraded sights tend to enhance accuracy & utility. Especially for slug use/hunting, I think most folks would much perfer open sights to just a plain bead.
I don't know what you plan to do with your 500, but even if you stuck with the 18" barrel you have, there are ways to add/upgrade sighting equipment - I did just this with a 20" 8 shot model recently & can fill you in on what I used if you want. Of course, you can always get additional barrels for different uses too, one of the pluses to having a gun like this.
Your gun should hold five 2.75" shells if it is a normal 500...I have an older model too, and it does.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:43 pm 
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Thank you, SH.


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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:20 pm 
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Five in the tube, one in the barrel, yep. And either way, you would have to buy the other barrel. Doesn't really matter what you start with. You're really only a bit behind on the price this way. Make it your first replacement barrel to look for. In a year, you'll probably have two or more. Two or more stocks, too. Not a bad price at all on the gun, either.


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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:32 am 
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Hello, mick53. Your gun was made in 1982.

The alphabet soup ATP means A = 12 gauge and TP = Tactical / Police. Your gun may have "500 ATP6" engraved at the feed port. The 5 shell magazine tube is probably original, and the 18.5" barrel is possibly original, but the 24" barrel is not original. Your gun was originally an 18.5" Police gun.

I have a 1987 "Law Enforcement Persuader 500" as identified on the 1987 Owners Guide but the receiver only reads "500A 12 GA". I thought that it would have to read "500 ATP6", but not so. The Owners Guide has a drawing of two Persuaders, one with a bead barrel and the other with rifle sights, and each has a wood stock and a wood corncob forend. The original box label only says "Mossberg #50485 {00-50CX-M176}, Model 500 Pump, Persuader Maxi-Combo, 12 GA, 18" Plain Cyl. Bore, 28" Plain Modified [Fixed Choke], 6-Shot Blued Finish, Wood Stock & PG Kit". My point is that plenty of early Mossberg LE Persuaders are not engraved AT, ATP, ATP6, or ATP8.

I collect 7+1 20" riot guns and I will pay up to $200-$225 for the used synthetic guns on GunBroker, less for the PGO Cruisers so I can add $25 used stocks. I pay a little more for a nice older riot gun with a wood stock / wood corncob forend like your gun has, even more for one with rifle sights.

I avoid 5+1 Persuaders because the takedown screw will not allow a magazine extension. The takedown screw of a 7+1 Persuader is right at the end of the 20" barrel and makes one a real bargain compared to a 590A1, which replaced the ATP guns. I converted the "Law Enforcement Persuader 500" gun to a 7+1 gun with a 20" barrel and corresponding magazine tube.

A used 24" slug barrel with rifle sights sells for about $50 more than a security barrel. Good luck, sir.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:50 am 
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wfb18,

Thank you very, very much!


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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:16 am 
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You're welcome. What is engraved at your feed port, sir?

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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:01 pm 
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wfb18 wrote:
You're welcome. What is engraved at your feed port, sir?


Mossberg
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500 ATP 12GA


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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:26 am 
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mick53 wrote:
wfb18 wrote:
You're welcome. What is engraved at your feed port, sir?


Mossberg
Made in USA
NORTH HAVEN, CONN.
500 ATP 12GA


wfb18,

Nothing significant with this?


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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:58 am 
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Not really, it a wood model that is identical to one engraved 500ATP6 or even to the six shot LE Persuader guns only engraved 500A. They were military, prison, and police guns. Some had bayonet lugs. The earliest models had grooved forends that preceded the corncob forends that I prefer. The 500ATP8 guns were identical to the eight shot LE Persuaders only engraved 500A.

However, now I have also become frustrated with the alphabet soup. I remembered that the 500 AT guns look like hunting guns so I just checked and in that case the T = Target. They had 26" and 28" barrels and must have been marketed for clays shooters.

For more alphabet soup confusion, I have just read that originally T = Trench to match military expectations, although T = Tactical is the general understanding. Who knows? Maybe I will start buying old Mossberg catalogs on eBay for better reference.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:13 pm 
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A Mossberg catalog collection would be handy but expensive so I devised a work-around by using the content / index pages of the catalogs that Cornell Publications sells online, http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/historic-mossberg.php.

I gleaned the following years of manufacture for the old pre-Mossberg 590A1 military and law enforcement models from the content pages of the Cornell catalog reprints.

1988 -- Model 500 Persuader 6 Shot; Model 500 Persuader 8 Shot Law Enforcement; Model 500 Persuader Cruiser; Model 590 Military; Mossberg Bull Pup 500; Mossberg Pump Guns Sporting and Military
1987 -- not available
1986 -- not available
1985 Law Enforcement & Military Catalog -- Model 500 Mariner, Ghost, Cruiser, Persuader, Intimidator; Model 500 Six and Nine Shot; Mossberg Model 590, Ghost, Mariner, Intimidator; Specifications and Accessories; Tactical Slugster Model 500
1984 -- not available
1983 Gun Component Parts Catalog -- Mossberg Parts for the Model 500 US Law Enforcement Combos; Mossberg Parts for the Model 500 Cruiser Shotguns; Mossberg Parts for the Model 500 Persuader
1982 -- Model 500 Security APT6N, ATP8, ATP85P; Model 500 Security Weapon; Security Weapons Persuader and Guardian Shotguns
1981 -- not available
1980 -- not available
1979 -- Mossberg Law Enforcement Shotguns; Mossberg The Persuader; Mossberg Model 500 ATP 8 Shot Persuader; Mossberg Model 500 ATP-8S Rifle Sight; Mossberg Model 500 ATP-6S Six Shot
1978 -- Mossberg Law Enforcement Shotguns
1977 catalog -- Persuader Law Enforcement Shotgun; 500A and 500ATP and 500ATP8 Eight Shot
1976 -- Mossberg 500ATP6; Mossberg 500ATP6S; Mossberg 500ATP8; Mossberg 500ATP8S; Mossberg 500ATP8SP
1975 -- not available
1974 -- no mention

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This chart from the 1976 catalog was posted by Smitty in CT on 09 Nov 2010. Note that S = Rifle Sights in the case of 500ATP6S and 500ATP8S (which I had not known) and that the chart is in error for these two models and should state "blade front on ramp; folding leaf rear" rather than "bead front on ramp; folding leaf rear".

I have a gun engraved only "500A" that is exactly like a 500ATP8S.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:03 pm 
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Anyone know the value of the 500ATP8SP?

Very difficult to find information on them. Recently a 500ATP8 sold on GB for $310. Assuming the 500ATP8SP is scarce since I can't seem to find any sale info.


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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:30 am 
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I think that I won the auction for my last mentioned gun when a determined bidder stopped just under my $350 maximum bid. (Any other time I wait to bid until just before the 15 minute final call time and hope that no new bid resets the clock.) It was a 500A that was the exact same as a 500ATP8S and in perfect condition. The seller said that it was never a military or LE gun but had sat in a safe unused for many years. I did not need this particular gun because I was recently collecting 7+1 guns for $175-$225, but I really wanted the rifle sights.

Gunbroker shows the completed auctions of the $310 gun that you mentioned as well as a 500ATP8 bead sight gun in perfect condition that sold for $250. The $310 500ATP8 is another bead sight gun in perfect condition, and a little over-priced from 27 bids, but it sold for way less than the BuyNow! price of $450 that the seller wanted.

We could say that rifle sights add about $75-$125 to the value of a 7+1 gun. The wood furniture is worth $100.

Even so, these old 7+1 wood guns are great bargains compared to a 20" 8+1 bead sight 590A1 #50676 which sells for about $500. And its heavy wall barrel is unnecessary and adds no value. The old 7+1 ATP and Persuader guns are all that I will buy. Good luck, sir, and welcome to ShotgunWorld.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
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Do you have a link to the old GB auction for the 500ATP8SP? I can't find a recent sale on one anywhere. I suspect these guns are so scarce that the true value won't be realised because they are much more difficult to find than a vintage Winchester, Remington etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Need Info on my new (old - 1982?) Mossberg 500 ATP , ple
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Both the $250 gun and the $310 gun were bead sight 500ATP8 guns in mint condition, so I never mentioned an auction for a 500ATP8SP, nor do I remember a Gunbroker auction for one in the past three years. I have not been looking for 7+1 guns this past year but I looked almost weekly for the two years before. It is possible that there were auctions that I did not remember because the price was more than I would pay. Gunbroker only saves auctions for 90 days so there's no way I can check.

I own the one mentioned wood 7+1 rifle sights 500A gun; I own one wood 7+1 bead sight 500ATP8; and I own two wood 7+1 bead sight 500A guns. There were many wood 7+1 guns sold to LE engraved only with 500A, and perhaps to the military also.

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cachet (kaˈSHā). For the life of me, I could not remember how to spell that word on Saturday. "the state of being respected or admired; prestige"

Would I prefer that my rifle sight wood gun was roll marked 500ATP8S instead of 500A? Embarrassingly, yes. Would I pay extra for that roll mark? No. These guns will never be true collectors items. Would I pay more for a stock with an interesting prison or LE brand? Maybe, probably, there's a sucker like me born every minute. :)

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I failed to understand that the 500ATP8SP has a "special non-glare finish on metal parts and oiled walnut stock and fore-end" and otherwise is the same as a 500ATP8. It has a bead sight so SP=SPecial and the S in this case could not mean "rifle Sights."

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...and it has a bayonet mount.


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