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 Post subject: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:27 pm 
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I just turned 57 years young. I have been lurking on this site for at least 10 years, and have read many posts concerning the great respect people have for their Remington 870's,their Ithaca model 37's, or their Browning BPS, etc. Yet, I have read relatively few posts of how much people like their Mossberg model 500's. Back in the late 60's and early 70's, I was taught to hunt by an uncle who had three boys about my age. My uncle Mart always had an old double barrel, or a single shot in 12 gauge that he carried in our quest for squirrels, rabbits pheasant or partridge. He always insisted that we all start out using a single shot for the first few years until we proved to him we were safe and took responsible shots at the game we were after. After that he purchased various used pump guns for his boys, always letting them choose which one they liked and fit them the best. I had to do odd jobs and save my money to purchase my gun. I spent my hard earned $60.00 on a used 20 gauge Mossberg 500. That gun fit me well, and I took home many squirrels, rabbits, and various other game using that gun. At the age of 19 I gave up that gun to help finance my move from NY state to New Hampshire. After 4 or 5 years, I decided I would get back into hunting. At this time,I had more financial resources and had a variety of gun choices to choose from. After spending a considerable amount of time mulling what gun to hunt with, I again picked a Mossberg 500. This time I picked the deer / field combo model in 12 gauge. After getting married a few years later, I managed to get my wife interested in shooting and hunting, and she picked out a youth model Mossberg 500 20 gauge pump for her first gun. She is quite a good shot. She has taken a few pheasant and numerous gobblers with her gun. I also had the pleasure of taking my 14 year old son on his first turkey hunt back in 2008 and called in his first gobbler which was taken with moms gun. I know that the Model 500 is a utilitarian type pump gun, but they just seem to hold up to all kinds of usage and still work. I know that they are not a work of art, but don't you think that they have proven over the years to be a truely wonderful tool for lots of people to learn the great sports of shooting and hunting that we all love ? I honestly think that Mossberg overall is very underappreciated manufacturer and not given the respect they deserve. What say you?




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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:07 pm 
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Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?


How do you measure respect and why is it important to anyone?

Sure, it gets respect . . . by people who buy guns, for Mossberg and Remington sell more shotguns than most.

Still, it is rattly, cheap, and homely compared to upscale pumps.




It isn't surprising that Wingmasters are sometimes more eye-catching.

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:30 pm 
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I don't think my 500 Regal looks all that homely.

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:05 pm 
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Halwg wrote:
I don't think my 500 Regal looks all that homely.



Nice gun, are they still available new ?


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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:42 pm 
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My 50th Anniversary model isn't bad, either.

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The closest you can get today is the "500 Hunting All Purpose Field - Classic
#50126."

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:05 pm 
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You go on other forums like The High Road and The Firing Line and the shotgun sections are 98% Mossberg 500 and Remington 870. Those folks only think of them as suitable for HD/Zombie attacks. Very few would even think about buying a shotgun that cost more than their Glock, let alone their 1911 or AR.

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:15 pm 
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Rightly or wrongly, alloy-receiver pump guns are not considered as pleasing as machined steel receiver guns.

Whether the Winchester Model 12, the Ithaca M37, or the Remington 870 . . . even the Browning BPS, those are the upscale slide-action shotguns. Engraved steel always looks better than alloy: sharper, crisper, deeper.

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:03 pm 
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As Randy mentioned, the 500 sells right up there with the 870, even if it is not as highly touted. True, the Mossie is a clunky design, and more recent (late 80's on) models are apparently built from primarily imported components (out of Mexico). I have no idea if Remington uses any imported parts in the 870, but their guns do tend to handle better, though many are also heavier. I prefer the older 500s, which had 'Made in USA' stamped on them; they were a little trimmer & better built than the newer guns I've seen, and they were offered with Mossberg's handy C-Lect Choke as well. Halwg's Regal is a good example of the older, better looking & feeling Model 500s :B3

Ergonomically, I believe the Mossberg design is much better overall, especially if one shoots from the left shoulder. The safety and action release are better located, and the open-bottomed action is easier to load. The action release on an 870 seems unintuitive, isn't well placed for either hand, and is often sharp to the touch.

Today, both guns are evidently still popular, and the 500 is generally available at a lower price point than the 870. Mossberg also offers some unique options, like the FLEX system and the LPA trigger, which is easily the best shotgun trigger I've ever pulled - in fact, it is superior to many rifle units, and is itself something of an Accutrigger knock-off.

Both Remington and Mossberg designs are now long in the tooth, but evidently still work and sell well. Some more modern pump designs are superior in some areas, such as features-for-the-money, refinement, and ease of takedown (the Turkish-built Stoeger P350 & Hatsan Escort come to mind here), but both have been around, and will likely still be around, for as long as people are buying pump guns.

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:08 pm 
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It seems to go along with the Mossberg territory....
I shoot sporter rifle..22 freehand target...Mossberg 144's have a cult following from folks that know about their accurate barrels.... and they can be had for next to nothing..you can get into the sport with minimal cost with a Mossberg.

The shotguns are kind of the same...they get the job done without a lot of whistles and bells and they also have that cult following. When you pull the trigger they go bang, sort of like the Rems but for even less money.

When my son told me he wanted to try duck hunting out West I decided to buy him a used Mossberg. For $100 he was in business.... Nothing fancy about it, a bit of a PITA to break down but great bang for the buck.
I would never criticize someone for using one....
One nice thing about firearms....we have lot's of choices for what we shoot...


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:21 pm 
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Shooting flying targets with a Mossberg is like dancing while wearing hiking boots. You can do it, but . . .


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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:33 pm 
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A BIC pen needs no apology for being a BIC pen. If you don't have a pen, but need one, a BIC pen is all of a sudden highly desirable. Pump guns, as general class, aren't interesting to enthusiastic hunters and shooters for the obvious reasons, compared to autoloaders.

Cheap, utilitarian things, no matter how prolific, rarely evoke "feelings of deep admiration."

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:44 pm 
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McFarmer wrote:
Halwg wrote:
I don't think my 500 Regal looks all that homely.



Nice gun, are they still available new ?


500 Hunting All Purpose Field - Classic
#50126
This one is pretty darn close, although mine is a 20 gauge and they only make the Classic in 12.


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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:06 pm 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
A BIC pen needs no apology for being a BIC pen. If you don't have a pen, but need one, a BIC pen is all of a sudden highly desirable. Pump guns, as general class, aren't interesting to enthusiastic hunters and shooters for the obvious reasons, compared to autoloaders.

Cheap, utilitarian things, no matter how prolific, rarely evoke "feelings of deep admiration."


Randy, with all due respect and I mean that, that is a very odd way to characterize pump gun users. Suggesting that autoloaders users are enthusiastic and through innuendo suggesting that anyone using a shucker is not cannot have been your point? I am inclined to think that was not what you really meant.
Anyone using an 870, 37, 500, model 12, super nova or any other popular pump gun for sporting is equally enthusiastic. I personally took my first deer, turkeys, ducks and geese with an 870. I took my first pheasants and grouse with a model 12. Trust me, my endeavors were quite enthusiastic...a lack of enthusiasm would have allowed me to sleep in instead of embracing the early hours and foul weather. Carrying an autoloader afield would not have changed the excitement of following the blood trail to my first deer or the thrill of my first success calling in a turkey.
Given that I have never shot more than two sabots at a deer or one shell at a turkey I am not sure why an autoloader would even enter into consideration? To this day I still use a pump (Ithaca Model Mag 87) for deer hunting, an 870 pump for turkey and duck hunting and a model 37 for pheasant, crow and pigeon.
A year round shooter, I do use an autoloader for duck and goose hunting and I occasionally use my 11/87 Sporting Clay for Sporting clays but for each I am equally likely to use a pump. For Sporting Clays I actually prefer shooting my 101 or my Wingmaster.
For trap, autoloaders are not very commonly used. I use my 101 or my Wingmaster TB. I plan to buy a BT.

In all cases, I am very enthusiastic. It thrills me to me end to enjoy the shooting sport privileges that we enjoy in this country.

Not trying to pick your words for you in that I am not sure what point you were making, maybe you meant to say discriminating? Like block planes hammer or screwdrivers, there's tool for each job.

As I write this I recall my days as a serious fly fisherman when we would discredit the tin tossers and worm draggers..because they didn't have Orvis rods, tie their own flies and kept the fish they caught.. my views have definitely softened as I now recognize that the experience and passion for fishing are the same, only the tools and tactics vary.... but they each get the job done..


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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:05 am 
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emgerrish wrote:
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A BIC pen needs no apology for being a BIC pen. If you don't have a pen, but need one, a BIC pen is all of a sudden highly desirable. Pump guns, as general class, aren't interesting to enthusiastic hunters and shooters for the obvious reasons, compared to autoloaders.

Cheap, utilitarian things, no matter how prolific, rarely evoke "feelings of deep admiration."


Randy, with all due respect and I mean that, that is a very odd way to characterize pump gun users. Suggesting that autoloaders users are enthusiastic and through innuendo suggesting that anyone using a shucker is not cannot have been your point?


It is not a characterization of pump gun users. Nor was it a characterization of those who have used a BIC pen. It is a characterization of inexpensive, common, utilitarian things.

Surely, anyone knows (that wants to know) that I still use several pump guns regularly for hunting. It is hard to miss. I also use BIC pens.

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Consider the adds, consider the press, consider the buzz, consider the questions asked on this forum and everywhere else. The attention, the hyperbole, the debates: it perpetually surrounds autoloading shotguns, year after year, decade after decade.

When was the last time Beretta so much as made a slide-action shotgun? The conversation about the Benelli Vinci, the Benelli Super Black Eagle, the Benelli Ethos, the Winchester Super-X 3 (and Super-X4), the Browning Maxus, the Browning A5, the Remington Versa Max, the Remington V3, the Beretta A400 line, the Fabarm XLR5, the Fabarm L4S, the Weatherby SA-08, the Weatherby Element, the Franchi Affinity . . . dwarfs the attention paid to any slide action shotgun.

That no Franchi or Beretta pump currently exists in production seems to bother no one.

Consider just one thread, by TuJays: viewtopic.php?f=55&t=244957 . Some 3500+ posts, 360,000+ views. and over 180 pages. The subject matter was and is an autoloader. No thread concerning a pump shotgun has ever evoked that level of interest, that I am aware of.

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:31 am 
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As I said earlier, that is on THIS forum. On other forums, you'll find 98% of the threads are dealing with pumps. It is because they are cheap and utilitarian and that is what the majority of those folks use them for.

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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:53 am 
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I like my pumps, use the 37s I have regularly, the Mossberg still gets taken out occasionally, I keep my Dad's old Remington Model 17 in a place of high honor. But I wouldn't buy one of the cheap utilitarian models. I'd spend a few more bucks and buy the 870 Wingmaster Classic or maybe one of the new 37s if I was to buy a pump. (Which I'm not)

However, today I'm going pheasant hunting and taking a Benelli auto-loader.


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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:23 am 
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Have had several 500's, one was the slug/field combo. Lots of deer,pheasant, and grouse taken with them.....Then got into O/U's. They're all gone now, but still have an older model 835 Ultimag...just a 500 on steroids! Wife killed her first and only Turkey with it. But she was NOT impressed with a 3 1/2" Turkey load! Kills on one end and cripples on the other! She too now mostly shoots O/U's. But.... I have seriously considered another older 500 to add to the arsenal. Good guns.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:19 am 
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I recently discovered a Mossberg model 600CT at a local gun shop's website. I asked them to send me pictures and they were nice enough to do so. They listed it at 85%, but I think with a little TLC and a thorough cleaning it might be at 90 - 92%. They are not asking a whole lot for the gun, and it reminds me of one of my first pumps I had when i was a kid. I am seriously considering purchasing it, but i have to take a trip on Saturday to handle it first. After all, I need a nice 20 gauge pump to match my 20 gauge CZ O/U and Mossberg SA-20 Semiauto I purchased in October.


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 Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the Mossberg 500 get any respect?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:06 pm 
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Oh, I don't know about that. We were issued Mossberg M590 shotguns when I was in the Marines in the late 80's and when I got out, I got a Mossberg 500 APT. Kind of an odd duck in that it was the 8-round model but came with a slightly longer barrel, rifle sights, bayonet lug and the prior owner may have had interchangeable chokes installed. I ran a LOT of shells through that gun blasting blackbirds out of the sunflower fields and never had a problem. Later in 2008, I got my dream Mossberg, the same M590 with bead sights and heatshield we had back in my day with the Marines. Until I got my Benelli M2, it was my go-to gun for home defense. Later I got a Mossberg 8-shot rifle sighted 500 in 20 gauge for my son to grow into although I have put a few rounds through it myself as well. Finally a couple of weeks ago, the idea of spring snow goose hunting hit me and found a used Mossberg 835 at the local gun store for $225 and snapped it up. I still have to pattern that gun but it has already knocked down a pigeon that thought about making a grain bin home.
Now I also have 4 various Remington 870s, an Ithaca 37, a Winchester 1200 Defender, a Norchester 1897 trench gun and grew up with my dad's Model 12 Winchester. Recently, my girlfriend moved in and brought along her own Browning BPS as well. I never seen any of them being any more or less clunky than my Mossbergs and unlike my 870's, I've never had to worry about a shell getting past the shell stops and onto the lifter creating a pretty nasty stoppage. No, I have not problems with Mossberg shotguns at all. :)




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