If you don't mind me asking, did you use a software application or the services of an attorney to set up the trust? My copy of Quicken Willmaker appears to include these documents, but I am leaning towards having this done by an attorney. So, just curious how it went. Thanks for your time.

I went with Quicken Willmaker for mine. I think I pretty much stayed stock with the trust documents, and when I gave a copy of the trust to my SOT he asked if I had gone with an attorney because he said it was perfect.
I simply listed one (1) US dollar on Schedule A for common property placed in trust, and made sure all the headers and footers were correct, and the ATF passed it through with no problems.

Thanks for the info, m24shooter.

No prob.

I figure this as good a place as any to make my first post since Class 3 weaponry is my passion as well as duck hunting.

Wilson Witness Protection 870 AOW.




I have another 870 I'm waiting on approval to manufacture into an SBS.

how about a bigger picture??

Forget dealing with FEDS: go Howdah. It's not a firearm yet built right can be just as effective as any BATF gun you might be considering. sssssshhhh sawed off shotgun yet not a firearm?. yep, coming soon perhaps.

I don't know how that pic got so small over the years, but every time I host it with a different host it got smaller. It's a 13" barreled Wilson Arms Witness Protection AOW, for those that don't know, an AOW is a $5 tax stamp. If it has NEVER had a butt stock on it, it can be sent to a Type 10 or other manufacturer to be shortened and registered. You can't do it yourself unfortunately.



Another one a lot of you can appreciate, 1918A2 BAR, the wife's fun gun, lol. After she shot the hell out of the AC556K, she saw Mike Dillon's Machinegun Magic video and hounded me UNMERCIFULLY to build her one.

That came out nice Bet that stock set ya back a few bucks

It came out nice because you did a great job on the barrel. Not many people even attempt cutting M4 barrels. Thanks again.

As for the stock:
I paid $150. Got it off a guy that lost to the hardware in it. Went to a machine shop and had the hardware made for another $50.

$200 total. I can't get a decent 870 stock setup that cheap. The F***K if I would pay what they are asking for on GBroker. That's just insane.

That right there is one fine piece of machinery. I am more than a little jealous.
With gun laws being the way they are in Sweden we are not even able to get a license for the regular M4 (its to short) so a cut down one is (if possible) even more out of the question.

Hell, the GG&G parts alone are hard to get and if you do they retail for 420$ as it is, i would love to have them on my M2 for wich i plan to get a 20" barrel for next spring (shortest possible legal lenght).

Anyhoo.

Again, awesome work there!

Watching The Wild Bunch the other day, wondering if anyone has ever built a short barreled '97 Winchester like the Pike Bishop (William Holden) gun.

At a recent gun show there were a few nice old '97 Winchesters that would make for perfect hosts... ones that had already been shortened and had the dial-a-duck or Cutts comp added (already "fouled" up – I'm not wanting to cut up a nice original gun). Prices seem to be $250 - $350 in my neck of the woods.

A short M97 is definitely on my "must own" list.

the problem with the 97 is the mag tube doesn't allow for a very short barrel. If I remember correctly around 16.00-17.00 inches is as short as you can go.

I've seen a picture of an M97 with a 14" barrel flush with the mag tube. How difficult would it be to cut down the mag tube as well as the barrel?
Does the extra length over a standard 5 shot magazine let you load an extra shell?

I haven't handled a 97 in quite awhile. I would need to take one apart to see what it would take to cut one down.
I was thinking the 97 held 5rds in the tube and one in the chamber for a total of 6. Like I said I haven't messed with one in a while and my memory may be off a little.

A cut-down '97 would have to be one of those things that you "want to own" cuz its just that cool and paying the $200 to cut a few extra inches off would just be part of the project. Not that it's going to be ultra short or anything, it'll be that its a sawed-off 97 Winchester. That should be enough.

Will be visiting the parental units soon, will have to take some measurements on one of the old man's Winchesters.

it appears that I was off a bit on the shortest barrel on a 97. Here is a picture I found on AR15.com.

The only benefit to living in Canada, as long as the barrel is originally manufactured in the length of 10, 12 or say 14 inches I can stick it on my shotgun.
Now that being said, I can't cut a barrel down below 18 inches, it must be manufactured at the length below 18 inches so a 12.5 inch barrel can be rather costly, like $200. Also if the shorter barrel combined with stock or pistol grip brings the overall length down below 26 inches and the firearm can be fired it now becomes a restricted firearm so I can't just throw it in the vehicle and drive around, I must get a ATT(authorize to transport) permit that allows me to take it to and from the range or gunsmith only.

Rather be State side.