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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:23 pm 
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2 questions. Do you have different links to the paperwork? The first ones did not work.

So do i need a SBS for each gun that i want to make short??




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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:36 pm 
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2 questions. Do you have different links to the paperwork? The first ones did not work.

So do i need a SBS for each gun that i want to make short??


If you want the ATF to mail you the forms you can order them from here.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/dcof/

or you can print them from here

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-1.pdf

you also MUST have this one.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf

Yes, you must do a form 1 for EVERY sbs you want to build

Links updated on first page

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:34 pm 
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Ok so i requested the form 1 5320 and then i have a pdf for the other form. Is that all the forms i need? Thanks alot!

One more question! When i get these forms filled out can i can then make the barrel as short as i want? Could i make one as short as a serbu shotgun?


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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:49 pm 
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Ok so i requested the form 1 5320 and then i have a pdf for the other form. Is that all the forms i need? Thanks alot!


you need two form 5320-1
one citizenship form
two fingerprint cards
and $200

AFTER you get the approved form back from the ATF yes, you can make it as short as you want. It is running 4-5 months to get the approved form back

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:53 pm 
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Banshee wrote:
PLMCRZY wrote:
Ok so i requested the form 1 5320 and then i have a pdf for the other form. Is that all the forms i need? Thanks alot!


you need two form 5320-1
one citizenship form
two fingerprint cards
and $200

yes, you can make it as short as you want.

Appreciate it!


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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:29 pm 
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Is it correct that NFA items can be registered to Subchapter S Corporations? Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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so i have to full out paper work and wait foe a month or two plus get permission and pay 200$ just to cut off a part of a barrel of a gun i already own. LAME :roll: ill just live with the 20 inch i guess.


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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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Is it correct that NFA items can be registered to Subchapter S Corporations? Thank you.


That I don't know.

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:19 pm 
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so i have to full out paper work and wait foe a month or two plus get permission and pay 200$ just to cut off a part of a barrel of a gun i already own. LAME :roll: ill just live with the 20 inch i guess.


like I said, it is not for everyone. If it is not for you, that is fine, but some of us it is..

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:35 am 
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Banshee wrote:
Plain wrote:
Is it correct that NFA items can be registered to Subchapter S Corporations? Thank you.


That I don't know.


Don't want to butt in on Banshee here, but I can help with this one.

Plain, I've had clients successfully purchase NFA weapons using their S-Corps on a F4. F1 builds should also be fine- just be sure to include a copy of your corporate paperwork and a certificate/certification/proof of good standing. (Here in WI, my clients just print a screen shot of our Department of Financial Institution's web site showing that the corporation is "organized" and not in any sort of error status.)

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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Banshee wrote:
Plain wrote:
Is it correct that NFA items can be registered to Subchapter S Corporations? Thank you.


That I don't know.


Don't want to butt in on Banshee here, but I can help with this one.

Plain, I've had clients successfully purchase NFA weapons using their S-Corps on a F4. F1 builds should also be fine- just be sure to include a copy of your corporate paperwork and a certificate/certification/proof of good standing. (Here in WI, my clients just print a screen shot of our Department of Financial Institution's web site showing that the corporation is "organized" and not in any sort of error status.)

Mike


Butt ins are always welcome. Thanks for the info.

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:43 pm 
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Banshee wrote:
prebans wrote:
Banshee wrote:

That I don't know.


Don't want to butt in on Banshee here, but I can help with this one.

Plain, I've had clients successfully purchase NFA weapons using their S-Corps on a F4. F1 builds should also be fine- just be sure to include a copy of your corporate paperwork and a certificate/certification/proof of good standing. (Here in WI, my clients just print a screen shot of our Department of Financial Institution's web site showing that the corporation is "organized" and not in any sort of error status.)

Mike


Butt ins are always welcome. Thanks for the info.


NP. FMD is a friend- saw him surfing through Shotgun World when I dropped in at his place to say hi the day before yesterday, so I decided to check the place out. I'll sling anything papered, but I've got a soft spot for SBSes, AOWs, and DDs.

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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Thanks for the info, prebans. :)

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:30 pm 
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Excellent guide. Is there any downside to using a trust?

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:17 pm 
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If I go the Living Trust route am I allowed to modify the weapon or does the trust only work with purchasing NFA firearms.

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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If I go the Living Trust route am I allowed to modify the weapon or does the trust only work with purchasing NFA firearms.


ya, you can modify the weapon.

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:41 pm 
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OK, so I've read through this entire thread. Thanks everyone for putting all this information together. It really answered a lot of questions, but I'm still a little unsure of how to proceed.
I live in Washington State, so I’m unable to legally own a SBS (and I’d like to stay legal), but apparently I can own AOWs.
What I would really like to do is own a 12G shotgun for HD. Preferably a pistol grip with a short barrel (under 18”). I would also like to take this gun and put on a shoulder stock and longer barrel to do a little skeet shooting for fun once in a while. Is that even possible? What if the barrel was over 18”?

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:19 am 
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I too would like to say thanks for the information. I've wondered about how it was done legally. But unfortunately, I think Michigan doesn't allow us to have those. Our AG has recently stated that full auto is now legal, but good luck on getting the chiefs signature.


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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:15 pm 
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It was my understanding that you can't legally put a pistol grip on a shotgun (without jumping through some hoops, paying a tax, etc) and that you can't put a shoulder stock on a pistol.
However, the local gun store is more than happy to sell me pistol grips for a shotgun or shoulder stocks for a pistol (shotgun), or kits with a shotgun with a long and short barrel and a shoulder stock and pistol grip and according to them it's completely OK to just swap them out whenever.

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 Post subject: Re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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It was my understanding that you can't legally put a pistol grip on a shotgun (without jumping through some hoops, paying a tax, etc) and that you can't put a shoulder stock on a pistol.
However, the local gun store is more than happy to sell me pistol grips for a shotgun or shoulder stocks for a pistol (shotgun), or kits with a shotgun with a long and short barrel and a shoulder stock and pistol grip and according to them it's completely OK to just swap them out whenever.



There are no federal laws saying you can not put a pistol grip on a shotgun as long as the the barrel is 18 inches or more and the OAL stays 26 inches or more, however there may be a state law preventing a pistol grip depending on which nanny state you live in.

Stocks on pistols is also fine as long as you have a barrel 16 inches and an OAL of 26 inches or more. Anything less in barrel length or OAL and it becomes an NFA weapon requiring tax stamps and rest of the NFA crap..



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