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 Post subject: Re: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:08 pm 
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DJTURNz wrote:
I have a few more questions that I have thought os as I have been reading around about manufacturing an NFA Shotgun.

1. I was planning to start an LLC anyway at some point for a different business. Other than a stuborn Sherrif, are there any advantages or drawbacks to using an LLC instead of myself and getting the signature.

2. Serial number. If I use an existing gun and just cut the barrel, what if there is a malfunction and the receiver is damaged? Would I have to apply all over and pay $200 again if I got another receiver? Or can I file a form to change the serial?

3. How conspicuous would I look at 6'3" 350# carrying a violin case everywhere to conceal my shotgun? lol


answer to #3 In most situations you wont ever need a shotgun.



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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:23 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:37 pm 
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DJTURNz wrote:
I have a few more questions that I have thought os as I have been reading around about manufacturing an NFA Shotgun.

1. I was planning to start an LLC anyway at some point for a different business. Other than a stuborn Sherrif, are there any advantages or drawbacks to using an LLC instead of myself and getting the signature.

2. Serial number. If I use an existing gun and just cut the barrel, what if there is a malfunction and the receiver is damaged? Would I have to apply all over and pay $200 again if I got another receiver? Or can I file a form to change the serial?

3. How conspicuous would I look at 6'3" 350# carrying a violin case everywhere to conceal my shotgun? lol



1...I don't know. You would need to talk to a Corporate lawyer.
2.. If you damage the receiver beyond repair, it is lost, gone, no more. You would NEED to contact the ATF to have it removed from the registry.
3.. not going there.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:34 pm 
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Many fellows are doing a Trust with all the benefits of an LLC without the tax reporting headachs.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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John, what do the SXS look like from the front? Did you fill in the space between the ribs?

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:03 pm 
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DJTURNz,
on your question about forming a LLC. This month's issue of "Small Arms Review" as an article forming Trusts and Corporations. You might want to check it out.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:25 pm 
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Banshee...newbie question...

Do you know of any gunsmiths who can/are willing to cut down and rethread the magazine tube on an 870 20 gauge?

On my main website, DOWN RANGE TELEVISION (www.downrange.tv), I'm thinking of doing a video series on how to legally cut the gun down...filing all appropriate papers, etc. Barrels are easy...tubes are harder.

We do a lot of Class III stuff on my television show, SHOOTING GALLERY, and over the years I've gotten a lot of requests to do somthing on SBSes. I talked to Mark Serbu at SHOT, and we may go down to his place and film as well...

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:16 pm 
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Mark Serbu would be a good choice. He has built many of shorty type guns.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:10 am 
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We have a shop up in Canada that shortens magazine tubes on a fairly regular basis. Their method is so simple that I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it.

-Remove the magazine tube,
-Cut to desired length on non-threaded end,
-Sweat magazine tube back onto receiver.

No rethreading to worry about.


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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:31 pm 
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it is not that easy on a 870 to reinstall the tube. More to it than sweating it in. It is easer to chuck up the receiver in 4 jaw chuck on a lathe and cut the tube off. I had mine done in less than 30 minutes. The hardest part is finding a lathe with a 4 jaw chuck large enough. Most gunsmith don't have one that large.
Also if you resoldier the tube in, it willl have to reblued or parkerize the receiver.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:33 pm 
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My reply is more of a question,

Does the reduction in mass in some of these extraordanraly short weapons make them prohibitive in firing due to extreme recoil?

I've seen them used in movies and such, but never in real life.

And I'm very grounded in reality. It seems like a good idea to keep a stock on a gun if the barrel is very short, and vica-versa, if the gun has a pistol grip only, keep the barrel long. It looks like the only practical use of any of these that have a super short barrel and end would be as a breaching weapon, or for an assassination or something.


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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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my 7.00 inch barreled gun recoils less than my 20 inch barreled one does.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:58 pm 
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What about your 13" 870. How does the recoil on that compare?

I plan to do a 12" barrel 870 12G. I had planned to port it to reduce the recoil, but have read that porting does nothing.

I would hate to build a gun that ended up not being fun to shoot.

So then I thought about settling for a 20G.

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 Post subject: Re: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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DJTURNz wrote:
What about your 13" 870. How does the recoil on that compare?

I plan to do a 12" barrel 870 12G. I had planned to port it to reduce the recoil, but have read that porting does nothing.

I would hate to build a gun that ended up not being fun to shoot.

So then I thought about settling for a 20G.

Any thoughts?


about the same as a 18 inch barreled gun. For most blasting around I shoot bird shot in mine, and some 00Buck one in a while.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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how do you move the collar down the barrel? o yeah, ive been lurking for a while. sweet forum. this is my first post. wee :D


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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:29 pm 
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I used a torch to heat it up till it fell off. Then I reshaped it so it would fit in the new location and silver soldered it back on.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:10 pm 
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do you think the same thing happen on a mossberg 500 barrel? I am wanting to move it down the barrel and have an 18.5 inch with an equal length mag tube. Ive got access to machining equipment for the tube but the barrel thing had me wondering.


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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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I found on this chart http://www.mp5.net/info/sbsconr.htm that Alabama does not allow a SBS the according to the legislatures web site here http://www.legislature.state.al.us/sear ... /HB833.htm the law has changed. Does anyone know how I might verify this information?

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 Post subject: Re: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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guerilla wrote:
I found on this chart http://www.mp5.net/info/sbsconr.htm that Alabama does not allow a SBS the according to the legislatures web site here http://www.legislature.state.al.us/sear ... /HB833.htm the law has changed. Does anyone know how I might verify this information?

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you can contact your District Attorney General. I would say the legislatures web site is correct, plus it is also more current.

I believe I would contact the AG and get the response in writing on official letter head so you can give a copy to your local CLEO. It may help to get him to sign off.

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 Post subject: re: How to legally build a Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)
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I encountered a question on a different site about building an SBR and it raised a question.

The original poster has an AK Pistol. He wants to register it as an SBR and get a tax stamp. He also wants to add a Romanian front pistol grip forend, essentially making it an AOW. The question is that the stock he is ordering won't be in for a while. He asked if, with his approved form 1 for an SBR, can he add the front grip without the stock yet?

I know that an SBS that originally had a stock that is now an SBS can have either a stock OR a pistol grip. But what about an SBS (or SBR) that originally had only a pistol grip (like a cruiser). Can this be made into an SBS (SBR) or only an AOW?




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