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 Post subject: Modern american slavery.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:30 pm 
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Some rather simple breakdowns in the family and society at large are contributing to prostitution.
And some applaud the new freedoms over the so called tired morals of the past.
With this going on some think that banning some colorful cloth is important because of the power it has.

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There are more young American girls entering the commercial sex industry—an estimated 300,000 at this moment—and their ages have been dropping drastically. “The average starting age for prostitution is now 13,” says Rachel Lloyd, executive director of Girls Educational and Mentoring Services (gems)

he explanations offered for these downwardly expanding demographics are various, and not at all mutually exclusive. Dr. Sharon Cooper believes that the anti-intellectual, consumerist, hyper-violent, and super-eroticized content of movies (Hustle & Flow), reality TV (Cathouse), video games (Grand Theft Auto: Vice City), gangsta rap (Nelly’s “Tip Drill”), and cyber sites (Second Life: Jail Bait) has normalized sexual harm. “History is repeating itself, and we’re back to treating women and children as chattel,” she says. “It’s a sexually toxic era of ‘pimpfantwear’ for your newborn son and thongs for your five-year-old daughter.” Additionally, Cooper cites the breakdown of the family unit (statistically, absent or abusive parents compounds risk) and the emergence of vast cyber-communities of like-minded deviant individuals, who no longer have disincentives to act on their most destructive predatory fantasies.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern american slavery.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:46 pm 
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I've always wondered what kind of monster could have sex with a hooker? Setting aside life threatening illnesses, just the idea of preying on someone else's misfortune is unspeakably depraved and indifferent.

I took some FBI training about missing and exploited children, and how to spot them on our airplanes. They said that for the average Superbowl, 10,000 underage prostitutes are brought into the event area. So much for all that "honor" nonsense in spectator sports. :roll:

Most are runaways who are quickly scooped up by pimps, on average within 48 hours, they said. They are first drug addicted and/or raped into submission, the full Stockholm Syndrome applied, then put to work. The nice pimps use "love" as a long-term hold over them. The mean ones use violence, including murder of underperforming/pregnant/ugly girls as examples to the rest, to control them. Survival is low, suicide high, and lets face it, they didn't run away from the Cleaver household. Likely step-daddy had already raped them...

This happens to boys too, by the way.

There is nothing "victimless" about any of it; it is the Johns who cause it all, and they should be hung for it, right next to the pimps.

DC made an excellent observation here several years ago which I will likely never forget: Even if we legalize EVERY drug, do we really think the drug cartels and gang bangers will all go get jobs working at the local car wash? No, they will step up the human trafficking, as long as there is a market for it, because kidnapping and child rape are things we can NEVER legalize, and they know it. That is why these cartels and gangs must be ruthlessly exterminated, so that they do not develop a taste for the wealth and power it brings them. They are just ignorant peasants otherwise, which is why they are so brutal.

Already too late, I know. :(


Sadly, islam is rising because people seek justice and decency, and see the secular west as incapable of providing it. Ironically, islam is rife with all the perversion they claim to hate.

The only answer is to protect your family, and that means make your marriage work at ALL costs. Once the father is gone, who knows who the wife is going to invite into the home, and what his true motivations are? That is the end for the children. This is why divorce is an abomination, not because of some silly promise made before God. He gave us marriage to protect our kids, the future, not for a ceremony.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern american slavery.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:44 pm 
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Growing up in Humansville I was privy to the whispers of the gossips that certain women of a certain age engaged in discreet prostitution, usually because the Lord had gifted them with great beauty but few morals, and due to bad fortune they made a living the best way they could. The hillbilly attitude towards prostitution can be illustrated by this old ballad by the Statler Brothers.



Another ballad of the same kind was "The Son of Hickory Holler's Tramp", this version by Merle Haggard.



Upon arrival in Kansas City I soon saw a new, bad world where street whores worked 12th Street among the flop houses and dive bars and peep shows, and the papers had advertisements for "escort services", and pimps drove flashy cars with wide whitewalls.

These were not "fallen angels" or "soiled doves" with a heart of gold and a "crib" with a scarlet lamp.

Prostitution is a vice as old as mankind.

No fair locking up the whores and the pimps and letting the johns have anchor spots on cable television.

It's probably one of those sad vices that should remain in the shadows, never legal, but never very criminal, either.

It's difficult enough to rationalize a world where a corporate tycoon can own a stable of politicians legally but we send a whore to jail for turning a $20 trick.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern american slavery.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:14 am 
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People only look at what it does to the consumer of the vice. They never look at the damage the perversion or drug/alcohol addiction does to those around them, but each leave a life-long path of destruction a mile wide behind them. Broken homes, broken marriages, broken families that never heal all the way.

Then there's the people they run over, get addicted to drugs, destroy their soul by raping them for money, etc, just so some selfish jerk can feed their needs at the expense of those around them. It is the worst kind of sociopathic evil.

There are victims-galore in "victim-less" crimes. That is why they ARE correctly crimes, and they should be punished a lot more than they are.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern american slavery.
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There are more perverts and losers that patronize the porn shops and the titty bars and the Call 1-800-Barely Legal numbers and all that filth than I ever imagined.

For one thing, they shouldn't be able to advertise on television, radio, billboards, or on the internet.

If you could not advertise sinful items such as Camels and Luckies then you shouldn't be able to advertise strip clubs and "million dollar fantasy ranches".


But I'm so prudish I still think beer, wine, and booze ought to be sold at package stores and bars and never at a gas station or grocery store.

There is a bunch of sinners out there just sinning away peddling all that to the public, and they never consulted me beforehand to find out if I thought it was sinful.:)

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I've always wondered what kind of monster could have sex with a hooker?
That's a little over the top don't you think? I would agree if you had asked what kind of monster kidnaps young girls and forces them into prostitution. Or what kind of monster knowingly spends time with an organization who does that.

While that certainly is a problem in the world, there are many thousands of girls who do it by choice. In Holland it's big business. They're unionized and regulated by the government. They get regular checkups from a doctor. I wouldn't call anyone who decided to use their services, ignoring the moral aspect, a monster.

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 Post subject: Modern american slavery.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:37 am 
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I'm specifically referring to the U.S. or SE Asian street variety Ras, the only type I've ever seen (from a distance.)

If people in Holland make that their professional career aspiration, I imagine they are not getting the daylights beat out of them every time their pimp needs money, or their John is some psycho or HIV, etc.

Then again, that's pretty much how the IRS treats you and me, so maybe that's not so unusual after all. Try refusing to pay taxes, and see how long it is before you are thrown to the ground with a gun shoved in your back?

I guess I'm just a prude, who believes in God's gift of man and woman united in marriage, as I know you do. Women selling their bodies is the height of societal decay, in my book.

And like the drugs, the driver is the demand, coupled with the prohibition, which spells violence against the most vulnerable. It's the ultimate lack of empathy. Still, chicks dig jerks, they surely do.

So we are right back to the libertarian argument. Legalize it and take the violence out of it. That is unless you don't pay the userous taxes, then the govt will do the violence, like with Eric Garner selling "loosies."

My Colorado compatriots tell me street pot is far cheaper due to the taxes, and of as good or better quality than the legal stuff.

Govt as pimp and drug dealer...what a concept!


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 Post subject: Re: Modern american slavery.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:14 pm 
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The good ones don't walk the street - they advertise online covertly. You can tell a "streetwalker" a mile away, but the "escort" might just be the attractive single mom down the street making some extra cash. I never understood how it worked, but as it turns out it's far more elaborate than you think - there are vouch systems to keep people safe/informed, and methods used to keep LE off the tail. "Services" can range anywhere from $200 to $1000 dollars and hour, and in most cases are available in various increments with discounts. There are no pimps; the women have control over their rates, hours, and who they see. The better ones have a few select "regulars" and some make a regular loop through various cities and see them exclusively. At $400-500 and hour, they can work 8 hours a week and net close to a six figure income, and as you might expect, there are no taxes paid :) That's a pretty good return on something that requires no formal education :)

So how do I know all this? :)

I worked with an interesting/odd character a while back - didn't know him very well, but well enough to know that he was single, made good money, and talked openly about never wanting to be in ANY kind of relationship with women, short or long term - he really seemed to have a thing against chicks - at least on the relationship side. I never thought much of it, but one night over drinks at a nice bar in his town, an attractive, well dressed woman strolled by, and being three or so beers in, I made some typical buzzed-guy comment like "I'd hit that" to which he replied "$300 bucks - worth every penny.". At first I didn't believe him, but he referenced a website where I could find her "contact information". Sure enough.... there she was. I spent the rest of the night exploring the rabbit hole - it's deep. Perhaps I was just naive, but I couldn't believe how easily accessible it all was, and how "matter of fact" it all was.

To my point: there are a lot of "monsters" out there paying for sex for a surprisingly diverse reasons (yes... there are forums just like this where providers and customers "chat" and exchange reviews) . I wouldn't classify them as "monsters" necessarily although some of them appear to be a little creepy. But trust me when I say this, if you are between 30 and 60, someone you know or have met (a friend, acquaintance, coworker) has been down that "road" - they'll just never tell you about it. All typically very safe, all very business like, and I'm not here to make moral judgements or even have that argument, but what does an affair cost when it blows up in someones face? Just an interesting perspective for some that may not have ever really pondered the "recreational sex market". I hadn't, and it was interesting. Scary in a way, but interesting.

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 Post subject: Modern american slavery.
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If the women are doing it entirely of their own free will, then it's none of my business (as long as they are not the Typhoid Mary of STDs...public health is a public concern.)

It's the trafficked humans I'm talking about, runaways, illegal aliens, etc.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:52 pm 
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If the women are doing it entirely of their own free will, then it's none of my business (as long as they are not the Typhoid Mary of STDs...public health is a public concern.)

It's the trafficked humans I'm talking about, runaways, illegal aliens, etc.


I know - and I totally get it - just throwing some perspective out there. It really is an fascinating, if not somewhat dysfunctional, study :shock:

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 Post subject: Modern american slavery.
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Well in concurrence I will say that getting married because you want free sex is like buying a large power boat because you want free fish. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Modern american slavery.
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Well in concurrence I will say that getting married because you want free sex is like buying a large power boat because you want free fish. :mrgreen:

Sex is never free.

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They don't call it the oldest profession for nothing. Women have been using sex to get what they want, be it money or service, since the rib was taken from Adam.

It's only when men, and some really nasty women, realized that they could force women to make money for them that it became ugly.

Not all prostitutes in the US are forced labor. I do understand your point though nody.

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Very often it is a modern sex slavery.


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Trafficking in persons, human trafficking, and modern slavery are used as umbrella terms to refer to both sex trafficking and compelled labor. And it is a big problem of our society that is not talk about. Did you know human trafficking affects every country in the world and it’s estimated that internationally there are almost 30 million people in modern slavery today. That's terrify me a lot. After I found out that information I realised the scope of this problem. So I decided to do what I can in order to help fighting with sex trafficking organizations. Now I am a volunteer in one non-profit organisation that wants to bring freedom to the exploited humans.


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I never did a study on the subject but there seems to be all flavors of prostitution & women can be just as evil as men. They had a saying in the Navy, a stiff p$%#& has no conscious. Lets face it, most men are horney, especially at 19 or 20 but I don't believe most young men would intentionally do anything that would hurt a girl. However, some of course will. I have never liked criminals of any kind. The breakdown of the family unit has to be a biggie! That surely provides a steady flow of victims for the pimps. Call me a prude if you want to but I hate to see young girls & women get hurt. They need to find good husbands & raise healthy families. It happens to men too but I think they have a better survival rate. It is getting to the point rape is hardly considered a crime anymore but it can destroy a young girl! A former friend use to say, "You have a lot of crap because you put up with it, you don't have to put up with it!" Why do we put up with it? We should be doing a lot better job of protecting young & vulnerable kids! A sad fact is you have to have a license to do anything from going fishing to driving a car; except the most important thing you will ever do, which is raising a child. Any syphilitic bum or any whore can do that & the government will pay all the bills. A young girl that lived not far from us some years ago had a baby at about 13 years old. The baby was born blind because she had syphilis. That would never have happened if she had any kind of parents. What a way to start life as a young teenager , she was a child herself, not to mention the poor baby!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:45 pm 
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JackDuncan wrote:
Very often it is a modern sex slavery.


Pulling up a 5 year old thread?......


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It is 5 years old, damn, I never look at the date but it is still a problem I believe!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:20 pm 
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I’m sure it is, not to mention has been and will be.


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Unfortunately, that is true. What I am wondering is how I got a 5 y.o. post under the "view new posts" button?




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