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 Post subject: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:28 pm 
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I have seen, from time to time, TOZ-123 (4 gauge) shotguns listed on Auction Arms.

Out of curiosity, who imported them? Was it the now defunct SSME Deutsche Waffen, Inc.? Why was it stopped? Was there a supply of ammo? I wonder if it didn't meet a "sporting" requirement or something like that under the law.

Anyway, just wondering.



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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:39 pm 
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Interesting. I am surprised that none of the learned have responded.

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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:30 am 
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Interesting indeed. A link to the official site is here.
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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:00 pm 
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Sorry for the double post. After doing some digging, it appears that there was a trade agreement made during the Clinton administration (1996) that bars the importation of many firearms from Russia and several other Eastern European states. The TOZ-123 does not appear to be on the list of items allowed. So, that might explain why they turn up from time to time, but are not real common.

The import agreement language and list of arms is located here for anyone that is interested.

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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:05 am 
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That's more of a curiosoty than a real gun. It's actually a civil version of a gun developed for law enforcement, that was supposed to be something like a portable grenade launcher, fire tear gas grenades, loads of non-lethal-pellets, and such. I don't know much about the police side of the matter, except that it was there (there is a livejournal post by an officer who handled one, with pics, I can try to dig up the link if someone's interested). But the hunting version, as pictured, was in production only for a very short while in the early 1990's, and wasn't very popular. Lots of people thought they wanted one, but the passion died as soon as they got one to handle. Apart from being heavy and awkward, it's proofed for the equivalent of average 12 ga 3" loads, so owning one doesn't make much sense, does it? There wasn't any loaded ammo offered, either, but one could reload the flare gun shells, which incidentally are exactly 4 bore.

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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:11 am 
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i think most states have a maximum bore size for hunting that came about when punt guns were outlawed. i would be surprised that you could legally hunt with one.


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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:27 am 
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I don't know about America,but there are other places where it would be perfectly legal to hunt with a 4 gauge,down here for one (not waterfowl but rabbits,hares etc) and I am pretty sure in britain large bore 'punt' guns can still be used for waterfowl.Pretty impractical to lug around a gun that size though....not to mention the difficulty in obtaining ammo.


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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
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I have had this shotgun for about 25 yrs. I got it from a dealer in southern NM. It came new inbox totally disassembled with instuctions in Russian on oiled soaked paper (totally useless). Took me a couple of days to get it assembled. Over the course of those years, I bought ammo on Wards' collectors auctions and have around 6 rounds and 5 unloaded but primed rounds. Ammo is Eley Brand. Gun looks like my Rem1100 just bigger. It holds 3 rounds and is illegal to use on waterfowl in the US. Some have told me its legal for bear, but I think it is worth more being new and unfired. Will post pics if interested.
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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
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By all means do post those pics! There can't be too many images of rare and interesting weapons! :)

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Pictures would be fantastic. Thanks. :)

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 Post subject: TOZ 123 4 bore Spor
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The shotgun is considered imported if more than ten of the 922r listed parts are foreign made.

It is illegal to make an imported shotgun into a configuration that cannot be imported as sporting.


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 Post subject: Re: TOZ-123 (4-bore Sporting Shotgun)
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If you curious how shooting a TOZ-123 looks from the side, click on that link :) https://sportingbookworm.wordpress.com/ ... bore-pump/



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