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 Post subject: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:21 pm 
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Looking for some opinions (never hard to find those!) on a 20 gauge pheasant load "issue" that I'm having. I'm trying to get ahead of the game for pheasant season in November, so I'm starting to do my patterning and what not. I have a couple boxes of Kent Fast Lead 20 gauge 1oz. (2-3/4") of #6, 1255fps. I decided to cut one open and do a pellet count.

There were 181 pellets. That sounds low to me for an ounce of #6! Any ideas why the count would be this low? The estimates I've seen for an ounce of #6 lead have all stated 220+

I'm not overly concerned, as I hunt over close working dogs for the most part, but I'm starting to wonder if I should make the jump to either another manufacturer; average count of #5 pellets in an ounce of lead are about what I currently have in my loads. If I could have bigger pellets and the same count, I'd be a happy camper, since I do occasionally take a shot at 40 yards or so.

Am I being too finicky?



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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:29 pm 
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How do the shotshells pattern?

Kents are a fine shotshell...not many shotshells aren't.

Probably, yes.


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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:36 pm 
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Did you weigh the shot charge? They may already be the size of a #5, or you may be about 20 pellets short.


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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:37 pm 
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Whoops, 40 pellets short


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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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PhilipMarcAssad wrote:
Am I being too finicky?


Maybe, if you are basing everything on just one shell. A 5 shell average would make more sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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To satisfy my own curiosity, I opened 4 more shells, weighed the payloads, and counted the shot. Here are the results:

Counts: 181, 178, 177, 183, 174 (average 178.6 pellets)

Weights: 1.0oz, 1.0oz, 1.0oz, etc. (scale is accurate to 1/10 ounce)

So they are spot on with the payload weight, but the average pellet count is low for #6. The shot was, for the most part, quite uniform. I combined the shot from all five shells, mixed it, and then took a sample, which is pictured below. I did find a few defects (a few abnormally small pellets, and in only one case, two pellets stuck together). Overall the quality control seems strong, since I have seen MUCH worse when opening shells from other manufacturers:

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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PhilipMarcAssad wrote:
To satisfy my own curiosity, I opened 4 more shells, weighed the payloads, and counted the shot. Here are the results:

Counts: 181, 178, 177, 183, 174 (average 178.6 pellets)

Weights: 1.0oz, 1.0oz, 1.0oz, etc. (scale is accurate to 1/10 ounce)

So they are spot on with the payload weight, but the average pellet count is low for #6.


Sounds like you have 1 oz loads of #5 shot. Kent will replace them for you, just call.

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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I opened up a kent 12 ga 1 1/4 oz #6. Shot weighed 1.81 grains per pellet. Measured .11 to .15 inches,(measuring shot is like herding cats) :shock: . I bought a bunch of 20 ga 1 1/4 oz of #5 turkey loads last winter on sale. Haven't patterned them yet, hoping they will be a good rooster load.


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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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RandyWakeman wrote:
Sounds like you have 1 oz loads of #5 shot. Kent will replace them for you, just call.


You're right. I called Kent and explained the issue--they said they'd send a call tag, but in talking to them I realized that the box I was testing came from Lot # XXXX-03, and the other two boxes I have came from Lot # XXXX-05. I cut open one of the shells from the other lot, and lo and behold, 222 pellets. Since it's only one box that's faulty, I'll just shoot them at clays. Kent doesn't even make 2 3/4" loads of #5 according to their website, which means it's not just mislabeled, but actually a manufacturing error.

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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We have this thing called "SAAMI VOLUNTARY STANDARDS."

Field shot sizes can be +/- one full shot size and be within SAAMI published standards.

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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RandyWakeman wrote:
...Field shot sizes can be +/- one full shot size and be within SAAMI published standards.


Well it seems like that's exactly what happened, and since it's only 1 box, and 1 size difference, I'm not gonna make them replace it. If I opened it up to find 00 buck shot I'd be pretty upset. But ideally when I buy a box of #6 I'd like to get a box of #6. That's not to say anything against Kent; their products are great, and my limited experience dealing with them has been pleasant.

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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If I had to guess I'd say those shot will be exiting the barrels of an skb 280 .


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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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hunterdcb wrote:
If I had to guess I'd say those shot will be exiting the barrels of an skb 280 .


You bet! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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Those ounce of #5 should still work for the intended purpose.


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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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cookoff013 wrote:
Those ounce of #5 should still work for the intended purpose.


They will still kill birds, of course. My concern is that when I'm taking shots at closer ranges, even #6 has sometimes felt like overkill to me. I've considered going to #7.5 for hunting over close ranging dogs, so I really don't want to go up in shot size, especially without knowing it.

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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How do you overkill something?

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RandyWakeman wrote:
How do you overkill something?

That's when you kill something more than what you intended to kill it. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4" #6
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RandyWakeman wrote:
How do you overkill something?


This thread is becoming a perfect example of overkill. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Low Pellet Count in Kent 2 3/4
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duckqwacker wrote:
RandyWakeman wrote:
How do you overkill something?

That's when you kill something more than what you intended to kill it. :lol:


Dead is dead, not overdead!


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Dr Duk wrote:
duckqwacker wrote:
RandyWakeman wrote:
How do you overkill something?

That's when you kill something more than what you intended to kill it. :lol:


Dead is dead, not overdead!

I agree to disagree. :lol:




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