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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:38 pm 
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Let me state it again. UNLESS YOU ARE HUNTING HOGS OR BEAR.........

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The beauty of the plethora of hunting calibers is the allowance for personal choice. My choice is the 30-06 Springfield for the reasons I have stated in a previous post.

However, the OP stated that the choice is between a 308 and 30-06. In bullets of 125-165 grains, there and primarily interchangeable ballistics traits. The .30-06 enjoys slightly superior ballistics with 180 grain bullets, and pulls away with the 200 to 220 grain bullets.

The individual that stated the typical American choice of "bigger is better" I think may have an inaccurate opinion of many Americans. If his opinion were true, I would hunt everything with a .600 Nitro Express or a .577 Tyrannosaur.

Also, the statement of a 223 for hogs is irresponsible, IMO. I have never used anything less than a .30 caliber for these dangerous critters, except for when I had to finish one off with my KaBar.

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:56 am 
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Truth be told unless you are hunting hogs or bear, the .223/5.56mm NATO will take anything in north America. Works on the Taliban too.


So, I could go moose hunting in Alaska with an AR15 and sleep well the night before the hunt? :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:19 am 
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Depends on how you shoot. Doesn't sound like you are confident in your shooting skills. Maybe you need to sleep with a 105mm Howitzer or tactical nuke? I don't know.

You can take an elephant out with a .22LR. It's all about shot placement. In this case through the eyeball into the brain.

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:50 am 
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slomo wrote:
You can take an elephant out with a .22LR. It's all about shot placement. In this case through the eyeball into the brain.

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Perhaps you could. But that doesn't mean you should go about promoting essentially unethical methods. Perhaps you are the greatest of the great white hunters in NA, but at least half of the people who hunt in the US probably get out three times a season max and hit the range to pattern, calibrate and practice less than they should. In other words, there are large numbers of hunters who quite frankly can't be all that certain of their shot placement and encouraging them to use suboptimal calibers is dangerous, is encouraging of unethical behavior, and contributes to a sullied image of hunting.

I'm not outraged or self righteous about this. You may very well be good enough to hunt grizzly with a .223 but, as someone with those skills, it is even more incumbent on you to make sure that those of us who are not that good be safe, sane and sufficiently gunned.

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:44 am 
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slomo wrote:
You can take an elephant out with a .22LR. It's all about shot placement. In this case through the eyeball into the brain.

slomo


I'm not outraged or self righteous about this. You may very well be good enough to hunt grizzly with a .223 but, as someone with those skills, it is even more incumbent on you to make sure that those of us who are not that good be safe, sane and sufficiently gunned.


It was clearly stated that you COULD NOT hunt bears (or hogs)with a .223 in one of the previous posts. BUT, if you shoot this large, possibly charging grizzly bear in the eye with a well-placed shot from a .223, then it will do the job. I'm waiting on the "Guide to Hunting Big Game with Eye Shots" to come out in a local book store. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:44 pm 
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me 2, LOL.

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:50 pm 
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Ooops. My bad. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:31 pm 
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To the gentleman that says you can use a 22 LR on elephant, please go on safari with your Ruger 10/22. I will be more than happy to come along and record the entire experience, so that everyone can see the response from the p#$%ed off pachyderm. However, I would like to see you get that same 10/22 past the customs service in whatever nation you choose for the hunt.

And, yes, the video will go onto YouTube.

On a different note, the prudent and ethical hunter chooses a suitable caliber and bullet, and gets sufficient range time, to insure proper placement. All of these factors contribute to a successful harvest and enjoyable experience.

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:59 pm 
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OK a .177 pellet gun then. Any projectile that enters the brain will do the trick. Brains have a lot of blood flow. Do I need to spell it out anymore?

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
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slomo wrote:
OK a .177 pellet gun then. Any projectile that enters the brain will do the trick. Brains have a lot of blood flow. Do I need to spell it out anymore?

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Some how, I think you probably have said enough already. :roll: :lol:

Everyone should have caught on by now. Thanks for letting us know!

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:55 am 
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How about a dust particle gun, LOL !!!

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:53 pm 
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I went through the exact same research 15 years ago and chose the .308 in a Rem Model 7 Ultralight. I was tired of dragging my .243 that weighed 8+lbs around the mountain with sore arms. Almost got the Model 70 Featherweight in 30-06, but my research told me that there was a 25% increase in felt recoil for almost identical ballistics. I would opt for the X-Bolt Compact in .308. Put a Leupold 3-9 FXII compact scope on it and have an honest 7lb gun that will go anywhere and do anything.
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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:06 pm 
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I shot 308 have 30.06 and 280
The 308 with 165 btsp is deadly
30.06 with 180 btsp is accurate (son use like head shots Deadly accurate)
Then 280 with 162 btsp it is flatter then the 270 and only 100 fps slower then 7mm Mag
good for long distance shooting.
I use winchester model 88 with reloads it shoots 1/2 group at 100 yards
You cannot go wrong with any of these guns

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:23 pm 
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I own both a .30-06 and a .308. I am selling the .30-06. What I have found out is that with bullets up to 150 grains there isn't enough ballistic difference to argue about. Starting with the 165 grain bullets and up, the .30-06 gets the edge due to it's increased case capacity. Since I only hunt whitetails, all I ever used in my .30-06 was 150 grain bullets anyway. With the .308, I can afford to shoot a little more due to slightly cheaper ammo (military bulk) and for the same performance I can carry a short action instead of a long action. For what it's worth, I have found the .308 to be ever so slightly more accurate although not enough to matter on a deer sized target at normal shooting ranges (300 yards and under).


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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:06 am 
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As far as accuracy is concerned between the two, why don't you go debate with Carlos Hathcock. As far as flatter shooting, how with the 06 producing 100-200fps faster speeds. As far as a wider spectrum of bullets, the 06, the 308 can't push the heavier bullets fast enough for the bullets to preform as they were designed. As action length, yes the 308 comes in a short action only in specific rifles which can be 4-6 oz lighter, but most manufacturers have them chambered in the same action, hunting rifles per se. As for recoil the 06 can be loaded with slower powders to change the perceived recoil. If you take a 150gr bullet and push it 2950 it produces the same true ft lbs in recoil. If the 308 is a 7 lb gun and the 06 is a 7.5 gun then the 308 will kick harder. If you reload, the spectrum at hunting velocities widens for accuracy, given a particular powder and/or powders.IMO 060606060606

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:35 am 
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face; Great minds think alike!!!!! You are spot on! And for the big stuff, think .338 Win Mag


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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:11 am 
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Let's not forget when discussing the 5.56mm round for hunting that it is .22 caliber and therefore illegal to use in most states for anything other than varmints.


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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
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I load for the .308 and 30.06 with 165 gr handload they both shoot 1/2 in groups at 100 yds so. The both preform excellent.

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:45 pm 
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decoyin deano wrote:
Let's not forget when discussing the 5.56mm round for hunting that it is .22 caliber and therefore illegal to use in most states for anything other than varmints.


Another good tip :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: .308 Win vs .30-06 Which to buy and WHY?
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After you're done sorting out all of the input and your research, you will choose one or the other - the one you feel has the edge you are looking for. At that point, you'll feel good about it and have confidence in it, which is most mportant. Either would work for me as far as ballistics go for my purposes - I prefer a short action 20ish inch barreled compact rifle in .308win. low power scope for hunting in the woods because of the fast handling characteristics of a shorter and lighter rifle, but if I was going to be doing more long range open country hunting for Elk, Deer or antelope, I would be toting the .300 Win Mag. AND - if I ever do get to Africa, It would be with the 375H&H or bigger.I refuse to limit myself to one gun! :D Maybe that's why I'm divorced...

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