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 Post subject: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:42 pm 
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Hi everyone, I am a 71 year old male who has been shooting skeet for 2 years and my wife, daughter & maybe 10 year old granddaughter seem to be getting interested.
Has anyone been using the Syren Elos N2 Sporting? I have a Blaser F3 myself with 12, 20 & 28 gauge barrels and it would be convenient if they had the Ladies Blaser so they could borrow my sub-gauge barrels but the Blaser is triple the price of the Syrens.
If anyone has experience feedback would be appreciated.
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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:44 pm 
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I am trading in my L4S semi-auto this year to buy the Elos N2 Sporting. I shot it at the CG/Syren booth at the big sporting clay show in San Antonio last October; I really like the gun and it is my 2020 item of lust. I also own a Blaser F16 Intuition (as well as a Syren Tempio) and quite like it. You mention that you are buying the "Ladies Blaser," but if it is the Intuition it is not triple the price of a Syren; in fact, it is comparable to the price of a Syren Tempio.

But if you are willing to shell out the price of an F3 for the lucky women in your family to share, why don't you do this, buy your wife and daughter each an Elos N2, which would collectively be less than an F3 and only slightly more than an F16. That way the gun can be fitted specifically to each of them rather than them having to make do with a gun that doesn't fit. And as for your ten year old granddaughter, why not start her off on a soft shooting used semi-auto, and then buy her a sweet sweet O/U when she is a little older? MAJ

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:12 pm 
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Are you becoming the Imelda Marcos of women shooters! LOL


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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:09 pm 
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Sorry about the Blaser confusion, I was looking at the ladies Blaser F3, about $9k.
Thanks for the advice it makes a lot of sense, I'm in NJ and Griffin & Howe had a Syren demo months ago - I should have gone. I also passed up on a youth model Remington 1100 in 20 gauge for about $400 - would have been great for my granddaughter.
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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:05 am 
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flexible wrote:
Sorry about the Blaser confusion, I was looking at the ladies Blaser F3, about $9k.
Thanks for the advice it makes a lot of sense, I'm in NJ and Griffin & Howe had a Syren demo months ago - I should have gone. I also passed up on a youth model Remington 1100 in 20 gauge for about $400 - would have been great for my granddaughter.
thanks again
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You are close enough to make an appointment and take a family trip down to Cambridge, MD to do a hands-on with all the Syren models. The people at CG/Syren/Fabarms are wonderful folks, and will spend time with your women explaining the guns on offer and answering their questions. Also, if you check the Syren website, it has a calendar of the events the Syren rep will be attending. I plan on seeing Lynne Green here in Dallas on Thursday at the Dallas Safari Club convention. And if you ever want to see something that is absolutely Texas over-the-top in the best way possible, go to a Dallas Safari Club convention. MAJ

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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:16 am 
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MAJENKINS:
Are you becoming the Imelda Marcos of women shooters! LOL


More like "Candide," out looking for the best of all possible worlds. I confess that I buy about one gun a year, although retirement realities might limit that. But when a gun comes in, one goes out. I got rid of my last sub-gauge gun last year for the L4S, and currently in shotguns I have only 12 gauges all 28 inch, of which there are three. First is the Syren Tempio, which is probably the shotgun love of my life, second is the Blaser F16 Intuition field model, and third is the Syren/Fabarms L4S, which I have shot once, deciding that a semi-auto was not for me. Since the Blaser is basically a copy of the Syren Tempio, I have reached the height of laziness in that I shoot the Syren for skeet and the Blaser for sporting clays; that way I don't have to change those pesky chokes. I plan on the L4S going to a good home this year and replacing it with the Elos N2. Between paying the boot on the Elos, sending puppy off to retriever training, and replenishing shells, that will pretty much eat up my "fun stuff" capital expenditure budget for the year. MAJ

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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:30 am 
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MAJENKINS wrote:
oyeme wrote:
MAJENKINS:
Are you becoming the Imelda Marcos of women shooters! LOL


More like "Candide," out looking for the best of all possible worlds. I confess that I buy about one gun a year, although retirement realities might limit that. But when a gun comes in, one goes out. I got rid of my last sub-gauge gun last year for the L4S, and currently in shotguns I have only 12 gauges all 28 inch, of which there are three. First is the Syren Tempio, which is probably the shotgun love of my life, second is the Blaser F16 Intuition field model, and third is the Syren/Fabarms L4S, which I have shot once, deciding that a semi-auto was not for me. Since the Blaser is basically a copy of the Syren Tempio, I have reached the height of laziness in that I shoot the Syren for skeet and the Blaser for sporting clays; that way I don't have to change those pesky chokes. I plan on the L4S going to a good home this year and replacing it with the Elos N2. Between paying the boot on the Elos, sending puppy off to retriever training, and replenishing shells, that will pretty much eat up my "fun stuff" capital expenditure budget for the year. MAJ


Mary Ann, if this post is any indication, you are flat living the good life!! :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:35 am 
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oyeme wrote:
MAJENKINS:

Mary Ann, if this post is any indication, you are flat living the good life!! :lol:


We always referred to it simply as "living large"! :D


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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:24 am 
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The only thing I miss about going to work is the paycheck! Seriously, retirement is wonderful; I sleep better, worry less, and enjoy life more, knowing I don't have to get up on Monday for another grind at the same old/same old. My only worry is a stock market crash since I live in the post-defined benefit pension world. MAJ

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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:36 am 
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MAJENKINS wrote:
I have reached the height of laziness in that I shoot the Syren for skeet and the Blaser for sporting clays; that way I don't have to change those pesky chokes.


Be sure to loosen those chokes periodically so that the deposits that blow by the threads do not lock the chokes in the barrels. It happens. That usually requires a visit to the gunsmith or taking chances on damaging something yourself.
I wet my chokes with Hoppes and screw them into place. That helps to clean and lubricate the threads.
If you are aware of all this, then sorry to bother.
Have a Happy New Year!!

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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:43 am 
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Curly N wrote:
MAJENKINS wrote:
I have reached the height of laziness in that I shoot the Syren for skeet and the Blaser for sporting clays; that way I don't have to change those pesky chokes.


Be sure to loosen those chokes periodically so that the deposits that blow by the threads do not lock the chokes in the barrels. It happens. That usually requires a visit to the gunsmith or taking chances on damaging something yourself.
I wet my chokes with Hoppes and screw them into place. That helps to clean and lubricate the threads.
If you are aware of all this, then sorry to bother.
Have a Happy New Year!!


Thanks Curley, it never hurts to be reminded, and a Happy New Year back at you. My guns are stored with the chokes loosed, about two turns each, and I loosen them the minute I finish shooting. I learned this from Chuck at Ray's Hardware & Sporting Goods who told me the story about his son-in-law who never cleaned his chokes and his gun is now permanently chocked. I also saw my friend Hugh's Berertta semi have to be put in a vise and an adjustable wrench used to take the chock off, chock was ruined but the barrel was ok. Hugh became a committed choke cleaner after that. Me, I'm pretty obsessive about cleaning my guns and chokes (the kind of graphite choke grease), it's very zen and I like the smell of Hoppe's and Klenzoil. MAJ

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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:40 am 
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My wife purchased the Syren Elos N2 Sporting a few months ago. She has only put a couple hundred rounds through it, but so far she loves it. Everyone (her dad, brother, etc...) was telling her a 12 gauge was too big for her. She is 5' 1'' and thin. However, it is very soft shooting and the recoil doesn't bother her at all.

I have shot it, and while it doesn't fit me, I can understand why she likes it so much. I was (not so subtlety) pushing her towards the Syren L4S, but she really wanted an over under. I'm glad she went with the Elos N2 as I don't think she could be happier.

In fact, I like it so much that when I decide I "need" a new sporting gun, the Fabarm Elos N2 Sporting will be near the top for consideration.


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 Post subject: Re: feedback on Syren Elos N2 Sporting
PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:57 am 
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Thanks everyone, strongly leaning towards the Syren Elos N2 and I have someone who will give my wife a hands on demo!
thanks again
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:27 am 
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Flexible, thanks for letting us know!

Ryan: I did the gauge progression over the years, starting with a 28, then to a 20, then to a 12. I found the 12 gauge actually shoots softer than the 20 as the greater versatility in shell selection and the additional weight of the gun really cut down on felt recoil. I now shoot 1 oz shells that are under 1200 fps. MAJ

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:17 am 
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MAJENKINS wrote:
The only thing I miss about going to work is the paycheck! Seriously, retirement is wonderful; I sleep better, worry less, and enjoy life more, knowing I don't have to get up on Monday for another grind at the same old/same old. My only worry is a stock market crash since I live in the post-defined benefit pension world. MAJ

So many of us are in the same boat even with a potion of our income from a defined-benefit plan. I decided about 15 months ago to exit most equities and focus on income, something I had never done before. I converted 40% of our holdings to immediate annuities paying out about 7.4% per year. I caught the short-lived peak in bond interest rates and converted another 40% to long maturity corporate issues averaging about 5.25% and lasting longer than I will. The remaining 20% I put into 11 different very high dividend ETFs averaging about 6% overall. Despite the big run up in equities since then which I have largely missed out on, I am completely happy with what I have now. It is as close to worry free as I think I can get while still paying out a livable income. Anyway we can hope.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:24 am 
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I actually started a brand new career at age 60! something I had never done before - I became a Personal Trainer. Love it, I schedule my own hours, I help people and I have extra money for hobbies - like skeet/trap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:49 pm 
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MAJENKINS wrote:
Flexible, thanks for letting us know!

Ryan: I did the gauge progression over the years, starting with a 28, then to a 20, then to a 12. I found the 12 gauge actually shoots softer than the 20 as the greater versatility in shell selection and the additional weight of the gun really cut down on felt recoil. I now shoot 1 oz shells that are under 1200 fps. MAJ


Makes sense. My wife uses Winchester AA 1 oz. 1180 fps loads. With the weight of the gun, there is very little (felt) recoil. The only complaint is from my pocket book :)

My father-in-law refused to believe my wife (his daughter) was able to shoot a 12 gauge and argued with her even after she bought it and had been shooting with it. We finally had an opportunity to let him shoot it. While he wouldn't admit he was wrong, he at least stopped arguing about it :D


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:23 pm 
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Flexible, thanks for letting us know!

Ryan: I did the gauge progression over the years, starting with a 28, then to a 20, then to a 12. I found the 12 gauge actually shoots softer than the 20 as the greater versatility in shell selection and the additional weight of the gun really cut down on felt recoil. I now shoot 1 oz shells that are under 1200 fps. MAJ


Makes sense. My wife uses Winchester AA 1 oz. 1180 fps loads. With the weight of the gun, there is very little (felt) recoil. The only complaint is from my pocket book :)

My father-in-law refused to believe my wife (his daughter) was able to shoot a 12 gauge and argued with her even after she bought it and had been shooting with it. We finally had an opportunity to let him shoot it. While he wouldn't admit he was wrong, he at least stopped arguing about it :D

You don’t have to buy the high priced spread in order to get the same low recoil. There are many budget brands that offer a 1 oz load that travels at 1200 fps or less. True Shot Gun Club sells that particular load in the Rio Elite brand for $47.66 a case. Sure they charge for shipping, but in Texas I get them delivered for a total around $60.00 a case. IIRC there is no tax either. So a pretty good deal. Remington Gun Clubs shells can often be found in that loading too. Gander has them for $49.99 a case routinely with free shipping. Gander does collect tax, but it is still a smoking deal.

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rpenmanparker wrote:
Ryan Vance wrote:
MAJENKINS wrote:
Flexible, thanks for letting us know!

Ryan: I did the gauge progression over the years, starting with a 28, then to a 20, then to a 12. I found the 12 gauge actually shoots softer than the 20 as the greater versatility in shell selection and the additional weight of the gun really cut down on felt recoil. I now shoot 1 oz shells that are under 1200 fps. MAJ


Makes sense. My wife uses Winchester AA 1 oz. 1180 fps loads. With the weight of the gun, there is very little (felt) recoil. The only complaint is from my pocket book :)

My father-in-law refused to believe my wife (his daughter) was able to shoot a 12 gauge and argued with her even after she bought it and had been shooting with it. We finally had an opportunity to let him shoot it. While he wouldn't admit he was wrong, he at least stopped arguing about it :D

You don’t have to buy the high priced spread in order to get the same low recoil. There are many budget brands that offer a 1 oz load that travels at 1200 fps or less. True Shot Gun Club sells that particular load in the Rio Elite brand for $47.66 a case. Sure they charge for shipping, but in Texas I get them delivered for a total around $60.00 a case. IIRC there is no tax either. So a pretty good deal. Remington Gun Clubs shells can often be found in that loading too. Gander has them for $49.99 a case routinely with free shipping. Gander does collect tax, but it is still a smoking deal.


Driving to Texas from Illinois may be an easier option than buying ammunition in the state of IL.




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