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 Post subject: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:48 am 
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Been watching skeet competitions and noticed that sometimes the shooter would drop a round in one barrel and a different round in the other barrel. Can you explain why they do that? Is is about anticipating that the second target would be further by the time they get to it? Is it a lower recoiling first round for quick recovery then a more powerful one in the second?




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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:30 am 
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SBE3 wrote:
Been watching skeet competitions and noticed that sometimes the shooter would drop a round in one barrel and a different round in the other barrel. Can you explain why they do that? Is is about anticipating that the second target would be further by the time they get to it? Is it a lower recoiling first round for quick recovery then a more powerful one in the second?

It could be either of the scenarios you pose in your questions.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:24 am 
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SBE3 wrote:
Been watching skeet competitions and noticed that sometimes the shooter would drop a round in one barrel and a different round in the other barrel. Can you explain why they do that? Is is about anticipating that the second target would be further by the time they get to it? Is it a lower recoiling first round for quick recovery then a more powerful one in the second?


It could be a "mental" thing. Many moons I shot with a guy that had, what some folks considered, a strange mental preparation. When he dropped the rounds into the barrels, he made sure that the case head stamps, were turned a particular direction. Couldn't argue with the guys philosophy, he was AAA in everything.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:29 am 
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Hard to argue with that guy indeed! :) What I'm talking about though isn't a good luck thing. I watched them drop one load in a barrel from the right pocket, then another that is of a different color from the left pocket into the second barrel. Seen it done in videos of the ISSF World Cup as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:41 am 
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i do it for doubles, lighter load in bottom barrel, less recoil.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:45 pm 
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Sounds like me. I shoot 8 shot for second shots on 4 and 9's for everywhere else.

Ed


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:33 pm 
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oldskeetshooter wrote:
SBE3 wrote:
Been watching skeet competitions and noticed that sometimes the shooter would drop a round in one barrel and a different round in the other barrel. Can you explain why they do that? Is is about anticipating that the second target would be further by the time they get to it? Is it a lower recoiling first round for quick recovery then a more powerful one in the second?


It could be a "mental" thing. Many moons I shot with a guy that had, what some folks considered, a strange mental preparation. When he dropped the rounds into the barrels, he made sure that the case head stamps, were turned a particular direction. Couldn't argue with the guys philosophy, he was AAA in everything.


Don't you know that if you put the shells in upside down, YOUR PATTERN WILL BE UPSIDE DOWN!!???
I think it's more important to worry about the important stuff like "did I leave the safety on?"

For what it's worth, I use a split load when shooting trap doubles, 7/8 oz for the first shot and 1 or 1 1/8 for the second bird. Yes I know it's not skeet, but then it's not really trap either.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:00 pm 
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I'll be the differing opinion. It's a useless practice that just takes more focus away from visualizing what I'm about to do. Targets in skeet are not all that far away anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:23 pm 
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Sobrepuesta wrote:
I'll be the differing opinion. It's a useless practice that just takes more focus away from visualizing what I'm about to do. Targets in skeet are not all that far away anyway.


You are spot on. Worrying about chokes and shells in American Skeet is a distraction. Skeet can be hard, but it isn't complicated.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:12 pm 
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Sobrepuesta wrote:
I'll be the differing opinion. It's a useless practice that just takes more focus away from visualizing what I'm about to do. Targets in skeet are not all that far away anyway.


The reigning World Skeet HOA Champion would beg to differ, as he actually changes chokes between stations.

It works for him. Everybody has their "thing" !

I absolutely know that I shoot doubles better on 3,4 and 5 when my first shot is NOT 1 1/8 oz.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:33 pm 
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John Henry wrote:
Sobrepuesta wrote:
I'll be the differing opinion. It's a useless practice that just takes more focus away from visualizing what I'm about to do. Targets in skeet are not all that far away anyway.


The reigning World Skeet HOA Champion would beg to differ, as he actually changes chokes between stations.

It works for him. Everybody has their "thing" !

I absolutely know that I shoot doubles better on 3,4 and 5 when my first shot is NOT 1 1/8 oz.


Do you shoot worse when your second shell is also not 1 1/8 oz.?


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:15 pm 
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John Henry wrote:

The reigning World Skeet HOA Champion would beg to differ, as he actually changes chokes between stations.


For skeet or for doubles?

Changes chokes or changes barrel order?


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:21 pm 
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John Henry wrote:
The reigning World Skeet HOA Champion would beg to differ, as he actually changes chokes between stations.



Is he the reigning World Skeet HOA Champion because of this or in spite of this?


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:11 pm 
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I think Briley ought to introduce a choke called "blunderbuss" for station 8 and maybe 15 yard crossing rabbits in sporting clays.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:42 pm 
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B.L.E. wrote:
I think Briley ought to introduce a choke called "blunderbuss" for station 8 and maybe 15 yard crossing rabbits in sporting clays.


They do. It's called their Diffusion choke.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:25 pm 
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ShowMe wrote:
B.L.E. wrote:
I think Briley ought to introduce a choke called "blunderbuss" for station 8 and maybe 15 yard crossing rabbits in sporting clays.


They do. It's called their Diffusion choke.


In that case, they need to rename it. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:14 am 
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B.L.E. wrote:
John Henry wrote:
The reigning World Skeet HOA Champion would beg to differ, as he actually changes chokes between stations.



Is he the reigning World Skeet HOA Champion because of this or in spite of this?

Good question, that no one will answer........ :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:38 pm 
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drawdc wrote:


Do you shoot worse when your second shell is also not 1 1/8 oz.?[/quote]

Probably not. The point being, the heavy 1 1/8 oz kicks more and can move face on the comb a little. Not set up ideally for the second shot.

It's about recoil, not BB count. (Of course, recoil is related to BB count)

I'm happy to shoot 1 1/8 on 2nd shot. recoil doesn't matter after the 2nd shot.


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:41 pm 
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ShowMe wrote:

For skeet or for doubles?

Changes chokes or changes barrel order?


Good question. He shoots an auto for 12 and Doubles. Regularly seen changing chokes when shooting DBLS on 4. Never actually seen him during a regular round.

Wayne Mayes did the same thing, I've seen him doing it at the World. Seemed to work ok for him........


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 Post subject: Re: Using different loads
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:05 pm 
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One of the first good doubles shooters in my state, and this was long before there were screw chokes, used to set a different gun (an O/U probably choked IC/Mod) behind station 4 to use at there.




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