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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:17 pm 
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Cantey wrote:
Pump guns are allowed in US Fitasc competition with the exception of World Cup events.

Joe,

Clearly you are an authority on this matter. However, could you please explain why the NSCA rule book states otherwise:

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The wording seems to have changed and the non-World Cup language is no longer there in favor of an outright ban.

VTHokiesDuckHunter wrote:
If a pump shotgun is 12 gauge or smaller; if the shooter only loads 2 rounds; and if those rounds are legal as to pellet size and charge, it appears to meet the rules. And if not, it's stupid.

"Stupid" and an infringement on rights as previously claimed are two different things. Sure, let people use a pump, I don't care. But to state that such a ban is a rights violation is just as stupid and, in the mean time, rules are rules.




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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:01 pm 
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bopper wrote:
Cantey wrote:
Pump guns are allowed in US Fitasc competition with the exception of World Cup events.

Joe,

Clearly you are an authority on this matter. However, could you please explain why the NSCA rule book states otherwise:

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http://nsca.nssa-nsca.org/wp-content/up ... _06-17.pdf

The wording seems to have changed and the non-World Cup language is no longer there in favor of an outright ban.

VTHokiesDuckHunter wrote:
If a pump shotgun is 12 gauge or smaller; if the shooter only loads 2 rounds; and if those rounds are legal as to pellet size and charge, it appears to meet the rules. And if not, it's stupid.

"Stupid" and an infringement on rights as previously claimed are two different things. Sure, let people use a pump, I don't care. But to state that such a ban is a rights violation is just as stupid and, in the mean time, rules are rules.

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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:52 pm 
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So....who here is going to shoot registered FITASC with a pump gun? Assuming it was allowed.


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:57 pm 
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I'd give it a go were it allowed....


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:04 pm 
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Bopper - somehow it was an oversight (probably on my part) that after 2015 the except for World Cup events got left out.

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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:05 pm 
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blackandgold wrote:
So....who here is going to shoot registered FITASC with a pump gun? Assuming it was allowed.


I doubt very many, but you might pick up a few shooters who otherwise might not shoot it, mostly kids?

Is the number worth a rule change?

Maybe, maybe not, but as Mule pointed out seems to be a rule without basis so why not get rid of it. The rule change isn't going to stop someone from signing up, i.e. I won't shoot next to a pump gun.

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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:20 pm 
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I doubt very many, but you might pick up a few shooters who otherwise might not shoot it, mostly kids?


More likely your camo-wearing, Skoal-spitting dove or duck hunter.......

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seems to be a rule without basis so why not get rid of it.


Obviously not to the French who wrote the rules......

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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:23 pm 
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Cantey wrote:
Bopper - somehow it was an oversight (probably on my part) that after 2015 the except for World Cup events got left out.

Thanks, Joe. As reasonable an explanation as any. Do you think next year we'll see the rule revert to the old version with the exception?


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:37 pm 
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I would hazard a guess that pump guns feed an awful lot of families who would go hungry other wise

I thought FITASC was supposed to be like hunting?


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:49 pm 
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So was skeet and sporting..........

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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:26 pm 
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I've had several folks shoot FITASC with pumps. They are always welcome on my parcours.
In the right hands, you'd never know it wasn't a semi-auto... except for the lack of malfunctions.


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:33 pm 
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DrMike wrote:
In the right hands, you'd never know it wasn't a semi-auto... except for the lack of malfunctions.
There's this Ohio guy named Bill Mayer......... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:55 pm 
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VTHokiesDuckHunter wrote:
I'm with Mule Driver and Dr. Mike here 100%.

Any comparisons to .22's or .30-06 are incredibly non-related.

If a pump shotgun is 12 gauge or smaller; if the shooter only loads 2 rounds; and if those rounds are legal as to pellet size and charge, it appears to meet the rules. And if not, it's stupid.

Yes, we all know that certain items of clothing are not allowed and one strats out with the butt below the line; and also that in certain countries Pumps might not be allowed by law, but certainly not makes no sense here.


Well said, and thank you.

If the rules were "break-open guns only" I could understand " no pumpguns" because it would mean "no semi-autos" as well. The problem for me is why they allow semi-autos but not pumps for events here in the United States. The pumpgun is as American as apple pie and to exclude it isn't right.


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:58 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
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I doubt very many, but you might pick up a few shooters who otherwise might not shoot it, mostly kids?


More likely your camo-wearing, Skoal-spitting dove or duck hunter.


Yup, it sure would. Most of whom probably are really nice guys.

Interesting pedisle you're setting on........


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:02 pm 
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DrMike wrote:
I've had several folks shoot FITASC with pumps. They are always welcome on my parcours.
In the right hands, you'd never know it wasn't a semi-auto... except for the lack of malfunctions.


Nice to have at least one FITASC ref with his head on straight here. Ever have any trouble with "camo' wearing, Skoal spitting dove or duck hunters" causing any problems?

Hard to believe oneounceloads attitude with that statement.


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:04 pm 
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xsshooter wrote:
blackandgold wrote:
So....who here is going to shoot registered FITASC with a pump gun? Assuming it was allowed.


I doubt very many, but you might pick up a few shooters who otherwise might not shoot it, mostly kids?

Is the number worth a rule change?

Maybe, maybe not, but as Mule pointed out seems to be a rule without basis so why not get rid of it. The rule change isn't going to stop someone from signing up, i.e. I won't shoot next to a pump gun.


Exactly!


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:15 pm 
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Mule Driver wrote:
DrMike wrote:
I've had several folks shoot FITASC with pumps. They are always welcome on my parcours.
In the right hands, you'd never know it wasn't a semi-auto... except for the lack of malfunctions.


Nice to have at least one FITASC ref with his head on straight here. Ever have any trouble with "camo' wearing, Skoal spitting dove or duck hunters" causing any problems?

Hard to believe oneounceloads attitude with that statement.



MY attitude? REALLY? I LIKE those folks - they are actually nice, play by the rules, and actually want to try to do well while having fun.......unlike you're attitude

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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:20 pm 
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Illini Shooter wrote:
You had to know where this thread would end up when you saw who the author was. :D


I put a lot of thought into this before I posted this thread. I ever asked if the situation was correct or not. I think it's a more than legit question to ask.

I think it's ironic that someone makes a statement like you did here, and then wants to come off as being some sort of goodie-two shoes when in all reality, you're causing the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
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Illini Shooter wrote:
You had to know where this thread would end up when you saw who the author was. :D


I put a lot of thought into this before I posted this thread. I ever asked if the situation was correct or not. I think it's a more than legit question to ask.

I think it's ironic that someone makes a statement like you did here, and then wants to come off as being some sort of goodie-two shoes when in all reality, you're causing the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Another FITASC question: Why not pumpguns?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:22 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
Mule Driver wrote:
DrMike wrote:
I've had several folks shoot FITASC with pumps. They are always welcome on my parcours.
In the right hands, you'd never know it wasn't a semi-auto... except for the lack of malfunctions.


Nice to have at least one FITASC ref with his head on straight here. Ever have any trouble with "camo' wearing, Skoal spitting dove or duck hunters" causing any problems?

Hard to believe oneounceloads attitude with that statement.



MY attitude? REALLY? I LIKE those folks - they are actually nice, play by the rules, and actually want to try to do well while having fun.......unlike you're attitude


Boy, you sure got that turned around the wrong way. You made that statement, and now you're not man enough to own it.

BTW, questioning a rule doesn't mean someone isn't having fun and doesn't play by the rules.

Did-allowing pumpguns in a shooting event in the United States is crazy. Can you think of any other clay target discipline that does that?




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