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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:45 am 
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And sometimes people want it to be a big conspiracy theory.

Lawyers say here's a new version.
NSSA says, we also want it to include X.
Lawyers say here's a new version.

That's the way these things work. The first draft isn't final. Just because the lawyers work in the Texas Book Depository doesn't mean the Illuminati are involved.



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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:53 am 
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NSSA owns NSCA and thus does as it pleases.
They get volunteers who spend their own money to do whatever the NSSA needs cover doing.
The NSSA friendly clubs get the big shoots.
Better behave if you want big shoots.

Nothing to see here, move on.

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:58 am 
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As a NON Profit, member run organization, that publishes their financials, and the Organization is to "sanction" shoots and keep results, I have to ask, what, other than non compete, "secrets" could they possible have that require any kind of strict non-disclosure?
They planning moon shots or something?

Marketing plan? the plan is to fleece more money for the Directors wife's budget!
Nepotism and the obvious CONFLICT of interest is clear to anyone that has ever had a real job! But seems obtuse only to those that run the NSSA ( and own the NSCA!).

PS.
One other question? As the NSSA and NSCA are "non-profit" 501(C3) orgs.

Is the NSC (national shooting complex) also set up as a 501 (C3) ???


It comes as no surprise that someone who’s been around as long as you, gets it. Crazy thing is, it isn’t their REAL conflict of interest they’re focused on, Roger. It’s an attempt to create a false conflict and keep the people actually throwing the targets under control by threat of financial damages.

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:07 am 
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sera wrote:
NSSA owns NSCA and thus does as it pleases.
They get volunteers who spend their own money to do whatever the NSSA needs cover doing.
The NSSA friendly clubs get the big shoots.
Better behave if you want big shoots.

Nothing to see here, move on.


I heard Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, aka Baghdad Bob, was looking to do some volunteering. Maybe he could volunteer to be NSSA spokesman.

We could get memorable quotes similar to:

"We will push those crooks, those mercenaries back into the swamp."

"It has been rumored that we have fired Scud missiles into Kuwait. I am here now to tell you, we do not have any scud missiles and I don't know why they were fired into Kuwait."

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:09 am 
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sera wrote:
NSSA owns NSCA and thus does as it pleases.
They get volunteers who spend their own money to do whatever the NSSA needs cover doing.
The NSSA friendly clubs get the big shoots.
Better behave if you want big shoots.

Nothing to see here, move on.


No surprise here either, coming from someone who fought the good fight and served the game many years himself. The problem is, this was the old strong arm control. It’s apparently not enough any more to keep the rebellious volunteers in line, so instead of seeking solutions and listening to the people bringing in the target fees, they’ve chosen to use the new threat of 7 years of liability for “damages.”

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:11 am 
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BigSpoonie wrote:
sera wrote:
NSSA owns NSCA and thus does as it pleases.
They get volunteers who spend their own money to do whatever the NSSA needs cover doing.
The NSSA friendly clubs get the big shoots.
Better behave if you want big shoots.

Nothing to see here, move on.


No surprise here either, coming from someone who fought the good fight and served the game many years himself. The problem is, this was the old strong arm control. It’s apparently not enough any more to keep the rebels in line, so instead of seeking solutions and listening to the people bringing in the target fees, they’ve chosen to use the threat of 7 years of liability for “damages.”


7 years! :shock: I know of loan sharks more forgiving than those terms. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:18 am 
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If the NSCA were to hypothetically break away from the NSSA, like as in a slave revolt or something would skeeters shoot fees still be able pay Mike Hampton, Jr and his wife? Thats a nice pot of roughly $300,000.

Also, is there anything sporties would rather put $300,000 on other than Mike Hampton, Jr and his lovely wife?

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:37 am 
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So many club owners have asked "Why not us?" Why so-in-so, since they've already had it for years running and one of the stated goals was to move it around?

Then a new club that has never had a shoot gets the next big shoot and all the clubs who were told "not your club yet" see how things work and lose interest in NSCA shoots.

Why does so-in-so have the exclusive shell contract? Did they get it by offering a "sponsorship" to the host club???

We'd be happy to pay a sponsorship if we could drive our truck to the club and sell shells , too.

Sorry , you're not on the "approved list" ie AC/EC.

To me , these would likely fit the definition of COI, but "no , it's just the way we do things."

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:40 am 
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It's too bad they apparently lost this years winter meeting. It's the one time each year the AC gets together to come up with new ideas and implement ongoing projects. Based on how we ended last year, fixes to Master class and addition of a separate subgauge classification were going to be hot topics which needs time to discuss and debate.


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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:20 pm 
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sera wrote:
So many club owners have asked "Why not us?" Why so-in-so, since they've already had it for years running and one of the stated goals was to move it around?

Then a new club that has never had a shoot gets the next big shoot and all the clubs who were told "not your club yet" see how things work and lose interest in NSCA shoots.

Why does so-in-so have the exclusive shell contract? Did they get it by offering a "sponsorship" to the host club???

We'd be happy to pay a sponsorship if we could drive our truck to the club and sell shells , too.

Sorry , you're not on the "approved list" ie AC/EC.

To me , these would likely fit the definition of COI, but "no , it's just the way we do things."


Well, that helps me understand why payouts aren't as high as they could be. I wouldn't sponsor an event if I wasn't allowed to vend. Can't say I blame them.

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:29 pm 
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BigSpoonie wrote:
they’ve chosen to use the new threat of 7 years of liability for “damages.”

Talk about not telling the whole story. The COI being discussed in this thread (which may or may not be the final) is 5 years after your term expires. So your "7 years" includes the two years that they are on the AC/EC.

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
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So who are all these people causing the trouble?

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
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KRIEGHOFFK80 wrote:
So who are all these people causing the trouble?


Ga Skeet mentioned some group in this thread:. viewtopic.php?f=123&t=465273

Ga. Skeet wrote:
This is one of the NEW group who wants to take over the NSCA. They have 10 to 12 shooters that can win the HOA and watch the class shooters as their will be some who get REAL LUCKY that week with their scores.
If it was optional less than 1/3 would pay $40 especially M class.

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:35 pm 
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KRIEGHOFFK80 wrote:
So who are all these people causing the trouble?

All the faux master class shooters. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:37 pm 
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marist89 wrote:
And sometimes people want it to be a big conspiracy theory.

Lawyers say here's a new version.
NSSA says, we also want it to include X.
Lawyers say here's a new version.

That's the way these things work. The first draft isn't final. Just because the lawyers work in the Texas Book Depository doesn't mean the Illuminati are involved.


Nah. The revision was not just a tweak of the wording. The revision made a fundamental change in the purpose of the documents. Theychanged the COI from just a document to comply with Texas Corporate Law to a weapon to fight a perceived insurgency. The NSSA president states that.


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 Post subject: Re: High Drama in San Antonio
PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:57 pm 
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marist89 wrote:
KRIEGHOFFK80 wrote:
So who are all these people causing the trouble?

All the faux master class shooters. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Post of the week {hs# :lol: :lol:



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