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 Post subject: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:44 am 
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Hello,

I shoot for about 2 years and I have serious difficulties with a very very fast crosser at about 35 yards (relatively stable height about 4 yards from the ground).

The shooting window is relatively wide (40-50 yards) but the bird is ultra fast ...

What is the best technique to use ?
Swing Through, Pull Away, Move Mount Shoot, sustained lead ? (I shoot most of the others birds in swing through ).
What is the optimal hold point and break point ?

Thank you in advance for your good advice




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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:47 am 
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Try pull-away and double the amount of lead you’re giving it.

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:24 am 
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I would start 4 bbl widths in front , then pull away.

Do not look at the bbl , guesstimate.

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:29 am 
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In addition, I would suggest moving your hold point out closer to the break point. With fast targets if you hold too close to the trap, the target will beat you.
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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:13 am 
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I can't tell you the perfect set up but I can tell you one thing to watch out for. If you are not use to shooting, and breaking, targets with long leads you will get out to about the right lead and you mind will tell you it's way too far and you will slow your swing just as you pull the trigger. A good shooting partner will easily be able to see you slow if they watch for it. I think the key is to get someone to help you (read instructor) until you are breaking it consistently. Then shoot at this one target until the lead is ingrained. Also, pay attention to how you see theses coming from the other way. I shoot right-to-lefts slightly different then left-to-rights.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:51 am 
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Missed you yesterday DS Cowboy. I swing through many targets, but on really fast crossers with some distance I mount well in front of the bird then pull away. This seems to allow me to keep hard focus on the bird.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:28 pm 
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tick tock... am waiting for it....


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:11 pm 
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fritz,

Two methods come to mind here and neither are the ones mentioned. The comment from james is good advice but let me carry it a little farther. Collapsing lead is a method that requires a hold point farther out than the methods mentioned. This method will let you increase your lead without a lot of thinking. You will have a lot less muzzle speed with this method thus giving you more control of your swing.

When you mentioned that the target was low, Intercept popped into my mind. Intercept is a combination of swing through (your method) and maintained lead. The difference is you will be starting the muzzle below the line of the target and swing up in a diagonal move. This move will help you find the line of the target without trying to make sure that you are right on it. If you will email me at the address below, I will send you a description of both of these methods and how to apply them. As always I do not charge for this.

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
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MMS ...providing you have your break point and hold point already picked out.

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
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It’s a lot easier for a newer mostly ST shooter to learn and apply PA than it is diminishing. Just Sayin...

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:58 pm 
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Without seeing foot position, hold point, pick up point, mount, gun speed relative target, etc.....it’s oretty hard to help over the net.

I suggest you find someone who’s experienced breKing these to help you out a bit. Possibly look for an instructor, or watch some good shooters working in this, and mimicking what you can.

Good luck, you’ll break it.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:19 pm 
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Get an aggressive mind set, hold out from the trap, get out in front of the target a whole lot, match the target's speed and break the dang thing! You need to get the proper lead, there is no trick to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:29 pm 
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I've had the opportunity to watch most of the top shooters. The one thing that stands out is that they never move their gun fast-even at fast targets.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:01 pm 
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I agree Dick although fowler May be the one exception. Maybe not though. Bill McGuire move is like silk. Smoooooth.

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:21 pm 
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Isn’t back fence Skeet about the same distance? Whatever method gets you breaking them consistently on sation 5 move back in 1 yard increments to the fence, and increase the gap.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:16 am 
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As posted above Mike A. Intercept works well on fast/closer type of targets. Little gun movement, and don't feel rushed taking the shot, where other methods take a bit more time to develop, except for diminishing lead...


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:14 am 
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Is MMS a method of generating lead? I do not think so You can use any lead technique with it, no?


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:30 am 
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I do not see a skeet crosser as a " very fast bird." A very fast, full spring crosser, is much faster than a skeet target.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:57 pm 
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I have had about 15 emails concerning the methods I listed. I am flattered. Anyone that would like a description just email me below. There of course not charge for anything I put on the internet or the reply I send by email. I know there will be a few out the that will I am trying to book classes and they would be right but that is not my main reason for this. I just like to help people enjoy the clay target sports as much as I have.

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:32 pm 
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Sustained lead, 4-5 Units. :D




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