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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:55 pm 
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pete blakeley wrote:
Sustained lead, 4-5 Units. :D


Do you have a flame proof suit? You must as much as you get flamed! That being said I mean no I'll will and I am looking at buying one of your books to see what you teach.



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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:06 pm 
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blackandgold wrote:
pete blakeley wrote:
Sustained lead, 4-5 Units. :D


Do you have a flame proof suit? You must as much as you get flamed! That being said I mean no I'll will and I am looking at buying one of your books to see what you teach.


"You're Behind It" and "Successful Shotgunning" are both very helpful and excellent books :)

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:12 pm 
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GoldGuy wrote:
tick tock... am waiting for it....


Boom! Like clockwork. Made the first page too!


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:28 pm 
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pete blakeley wrote:
Sustained lead, 4-5 Units. :D


Just to give me a point of reference, how many units do you see in a standard crossing skeet target?


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:30 pm 
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goldguy. I have applied for my own forum on here but getting that organized takes time. Correct, I sell "how to" shotgunning books...... mainly to help shooters and I have no idea why that upsets you so much. But as I have said previously I plan on travelling to different facilities across the US this year and I will be more than happy to meet you at your chosen location and shoot a round of sporting clays with you if you wish? You never know, it may be an enjoyable experience for you.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:38 pm 
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Show me. A full crossing shot from #4 on a skeet field is 4 units. #1 low is 1 unit, #2 low is 2 units. Formula for skeet is:-

Low 1 1 unit
Low 2 2 units
Low 3 4 units
Low 4 4 units

Why is low 3 and low 4 the same lead? Because if you look at the dimensions of a skeet field, the low house target flight path is parallel to stations 3 and 4 ie. a full crossing shot from both stations.

low 5 2 units
low 6 1 unit
low 7 0 units.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:43 pm 
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blackandgold. Very few shooters flame me on here except goldguy.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:00 pm 
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pete blakeley wrote:
Show me. A full crossing shot from #4 on a skeet field is 4 units.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:06 pm 
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Showme. I have no control over eye dominance problems so I always recommend shooting those leads initially with the off eye closed.

Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:01 am 
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Pete, how much you charge/h to teach me to shoot with one eye closed?

How wide is one unit ,btw?


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:06 am 
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Holdpoint. I charge $175/hour. 6 hours total is enough time to learn to read every target on a SC couse and during that time I cover everything, it's money well spent. One "unit"is 0.75 about a finger width.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:29 am 
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A very old coach with no books or articles to his name once told me,
"I never tell you a lead as a number, as I do not know what YOU see so I tell you 50% more or, half the lead"

Seems someone missed that lesson As I said earlier people getting paid, invent ways to market themselves


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:32 am 
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Some very good answers already posted, but like any forum you will get bad or poor advise.Without seeing you shoot and seeing exactly what you are doing it is difficult to rectify a miss.Most of us see lead differently so that could be a none starter.
A crossing target travelling at about 40 mph requires about 8 feet of lead, at 50 yards it could need 11 feet of lead . Now that lead figure is what your barrels need to be out in front of the clay at those distances , so you need to be able to visualise that distance out there , you need to be muzzle aware but not barrel watching . Get a good instructor or a friend who is a good shot to watch you and encourage you to increase or decrease the lead as required until you succeed . Remember line is just as important as lead .
Ask friends what lead they see on a difficult target , some will say 20 feet another, 3 feet , another no lead at all , gunspeed also needs to be factored in. Internet lessons are usually free , but an hour with a good instructor will be far better value for money.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:06 am 
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Wow, Pete, which eye you will teach me to close for that money?

Salopian, do you give lessons?


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:12 am 
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holdpoint. Salopian is an excellent instructor and he's the best in the business, but he's in the UK. And if you don't want to hire me for six hours you could always buy the Unit Lead book? That's only $34.95 from Amazon or you can get a signed copy from my web. site. The book won't tell you which eye to close though.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:38 am 
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pete blakeley wrote:
blackandgold. Very few shooters flame me on here except goldguy.


That is good. I must just have the luck of happening on those threads.

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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:59 am 
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Pete few Q's.

"One "unit"is 0.75 about a finger width."

My finger is fatty, will not influence the lead amount? I may say that I will put 3 fingers instead of 4 fingers or so. What do you think?

"The book won't tell you which eye to close though." So, why to buy the book if is not telling me which eye to close?

Salopian is an excellent instructor and he's the best in the business, but he's in the UK".

Thanks for the info. I am doing some business in the Emirates right now but in a couple of mounts I will be in Europe. I would like to take lessons for 3-4 years at least 2 times a week and I am willing to fly every week in UK.

I want to be the best I can be.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:29 am 
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holdpoint. From what you have said I'm not the coach for you. Good luck in your search to find the right one.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:18 am 
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Peter Blakeley, thank you for the very kind words, very busy here and enjoying my life and my teaching.
Holdpoint , it would be a pleasure to teach you.


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 Post subject: Re: Very very fast crosser at 35 yards
PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:09 pm 
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In the SC game, you can't discount the value of committing to the break point. Without this commitment my wife and I both tend to ride the bird and as a result miss. Know your lead, your break point and don't lift your head and you'll find greater success.




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