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WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered Shooters
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1.) Yes 44%  44%  [ 15 ]
2.) No 56%  56%  [ 19 ]
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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:28 pm 
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midway3113 wrote:
I’m not a cheesehead and knew I could only shoot 3 events but it was fun and well worth the money. I think it’s generous that they offer money back if you make all 4 but that’s just my opinion.

It’s easy to be generous with money from the shooters. Not generosity.
More like sleight of hand.

Glad you had fun.



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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:40 pm 
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I shot it last year and only shot 3 of the 4 events and was looking forward to shooting the same this year until the weather turned bad. The only reason I didn't shoot was because of the weather and I am a member at Northbrook also.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:21 pm 
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I think the thing is more about if the money was coming back to the shooters then the extra 10 dollars per event.
On one side you cant opt out of prizes at shoots and shoot for less on the other side you cannot get overly aggressive with customers that are handing you money.
Most shooters are bosses self employed or wealthy and are not use to this is the way it is like it or not.
I like the concept personally i hope the shoot continues i would like to see a 4th local club in there and some prizes (maybe the argued money can go there to attract more shooters which in return means more profit for the clubs) we all know the clubs and managers could build on what is already a good shoot.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:57 pm 
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I think the thing is more about if the money was coming back to the shooters then the extra 10 dollars per event.



It wasnt an extra 10 dollars, more like 4 dollars. The last shoot at these clubs was $46.00 plus fees. These events were $50.00 plus fees. The clubs kicked in the remaining $6.00 from their profits.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:33 am 
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that is incorrect, I did not play any options or any opt for lewis class, I was charged $57.00 per event, per club.

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georgeh41 wrote:
that is incorrect, I did not play any options or any opt for lewis class, I was charged $57.00 per event, per club.
Steve Y wrote:
687shooter wrote:
I think the thing is more about if the money was coming back to the shooters then the extra 10 dollars per event.



It wasnt an extra 10 dollars, more like 4 dollars. The last shoot at these clubs was $46.00 plus fees. These events were $50.00 plus fees. The clubs kicked in the remaining $6.00 from their profits.

Steve

George is correct on the price. There was fuzzy math used throughout the promotion. There was an explanation of $6 or $8 dollars returned per shooter. No firm number.
Cost corrections had to be made on the WSCA website after questions arose.

The “appearance” of some deception was prevalent.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:42 am 
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that is incorrect, I did not play any options or any opt for lewis class, I was charged $57.00 per event, per club.



And $7.00 were fees to the WSCA and NSCA, that clubs have no control over.
So ,you paid $50.00, which like I said was $4.00 more then last time.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:00 am 
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There has always been NSCA & State fees for registered shoots passed on to NSCA member shooters.
They don’t need a breakdown. Just advertise the shoot price. $57. That is what you have to pay to play. Be done with it.
Stop the spin. They see through the BS.

The only shooters that don’t pay the NSCA & state fees are non registered or “hunter class”
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:34 am 
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remdog1187 wrote:
There has always been NSCA & State fees for registered shoots passed on to NSCA member shooters.
They don’t need a breakdown. Just advertise the shoot price. $57. That is what you have to pay to play. Be done with it.
Stop the spin. They see through the BS.

The only shooters that don’t pay the NSCA & state fees are non registered or “hunter class”
participants.


Hold on, do Hunter class fees get passed on to the NSCA or do they go to the club?

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
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blackandgold wrote:
remdog1187 wrote:
There has always been NSCA & State fees for registered shoots passed on to NSCA member shooters.
They don’t need a breakdown. Just advertise the shoot price. $57. That is what you have to pay to play. Be done with it.
Stop the spin. They see through the BS.

The only shooters that don’t pay the NSCA & state fees are non registered or “hunter class”
participants.


Hold on, do Hunter class fees get passed on to the NSCA or do they go to the club?


Non registered or “hunter class” has no obligation to pay NSCA or state fees.

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:26 pm 
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Correct. However, NSCA rules say that "hunter class" shooters must pay the same entry fees as registered shooters -- and that the fees that otherwise would go to the NSCA and the state association should be held by the club.

Rules here on page 23: http://nsca.nssa-nsca.org/wp-content/up ... -21-16.pdf


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:51 pm 
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birdshooter1 wrote:
Correct. However, NSCA rules say that "hunter class" shooters must pay the same entry fees as registered shooters -- and that the fees that otherwise would go to the NSCA and the state association should be held by the club.

Rules here on page 23: http://nsca.nssa-nsca.org/wp-content/up ... -21-16.pdf


While that is also correct it’s enforced as often as the known ability rule.
Which is never.

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
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With all due respect, I think you're fooling yourself if you didn't think the weather didn't change the attendance.
Saturday April 7th did not get above 30 degrees until around 3 pm with a 14 MPH wind all day.
at 8 AM or so it was around 15 degrees with wind.
Come on Spring!


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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:25 am 
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Steve Y wrote:
georgeh41 wrote:
that is incorrect, I did not play any options or any opt for lewis class, I was charged $57.00 per event, per club.



And $7.00 were fees to the WSCA and NSCA, that clubs have no control over.
So ,you paid $50.00, which like I said was $4.00 more then last time.



Steve


I give up,

but yes also we can all agree that weather did not help the turn out of this shoot. I think there are shooters who don't care about the mandatory class payout, and then those that do. There are opinions on both sides of the aisle for this. As mentioned way back on page 1 or 2, I know that there were a good amount of shooters that decided not to shoot at all because of the mandatory class purse. How many small sheep were sacrificed for the large one? well that's always a numbers game.

Now come on spring!



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