It is currently Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:06 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Image



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 74 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered Shooters
Poll runs till Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:25 pm
1.) Yes 44%  44%  [ 15 ]
2.) No 56%  56%  [ 19 ]
Total votes : 34
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:20 am 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:26 pm
Posts: 9414
Location: So Cal USA
andykb692 wrote:
I guess I don’t understand the difference between this and payouts at State, Sposored, Regional, etc. shoots. Tournaments with higher entry fees and mandatory payouts. Where do you think the money comes from? The entry fees partially go to fund those payouts, along with added money from sponsors or whatever. So what’s the difference? Just the fact that they didn’t tell you where it came from makes it okay? I don’t get the big deal.

If I read the responses correctly, you have to pay for into the prize pot, but then you only have a chance of winning it if you participate in all three events.



_________________
Liberals are like slinkys, not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs :)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:42 am 
Limited Edition
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:15 pm
Posts: 310
Location: USA
All four events at 3 clubs.

_________________
You owe it to yourself to shoot a Remington Model 32.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:47 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:05 pm
Posts: 4855
Location: S.E.Wisconsin
Maybe next year the clubs will just charge us $50.00 plus fees per 100 and NOT return any money. If there is a next year.


Steve

_________________
The more times you pull the trigger the more fun you are having!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:10 am 
Presentation Grade

Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:54 pm
Posts: 785
andykb692 wrote:
I guess I don’t understand the difference between this and payouts at State, Sposored, Regional, etc. shoots. Tournaments with higher entry fees and mandatory payouts.


The difference is you only pay into those mandatory payouts for events that you choose to shoot. You're not paying into a pool that you are not eligible to win.

In this case, people who cannot shoot all four events are being asked to contribute towards a pool that they cannot POSSIBLY win -- ergo, they see it as throwing money away.

You might argue that it's not much money and I agree, but that's not what's being argued here.

If you said that each event had its OWN mandatory Lewis class, I think the opposition would go away. Either way, I still say that the free market should decide.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:55 am 
Limited Edition
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:15 pm
Posts: 310
Location: USA
Steve Y wrote:
Maybe next year the clubs will just charge us $50.00 plus fees per 100 and NOT return any money. If there is a next year.


Steve

Next year always comes. Scare tactics are ineffective.
There’s always someone waiting in the wings to replace ideas, people, management and customers.
Ya gotta love this country and free enterprise in a capitalist society.

_________________
You owe it to yourself to shoot a Remington Model 32.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:18 pm 
Limited Edition
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:15 pm
Posts: 310
Location: USA
birdshooter1 wrote:
andykb692 wrote:
I guess I don’t understand the difference between this and payouts at State, Sposored, Regional, etc. shoots. Tournaments with higher entry fees and mandatory payouts.


The difference is you only pay into those mandatory payouts for events that you choose to shoot. You're not paying into a pool that you are not eligible to win.

In this case, people who cannot shoot all four events are being asked to contribute towards a pool that they cannot POSSIBLY win -- ergo, they see it as throwing money away.

You might argue that it's not much money and I agree, but that's not what's being argued here.

If you said that each event had its OWN mandatory Lewis class, I think the opposition would go away. Either way, I still say that the free market should decide.

Plus 1

_________________
You owe it to yourself to shoot a Remington Model 32.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:59 pm 
Limited Edition

Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:48 pm
Posts: 325
Location: Wisconsin
Steve Y wrote:
Maybe next year the clubs will just charge us $50.00 plus fees per 100 and NOT return any money. If there is a next year.


Steve

So - you mean like the Ironman? (but they have trappers)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:18 pm 
Field Grade

Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:14 am
Posts: 62
Also if you want to play/shoot for lewis/options, because you aren't going to be shooting all 4 events, that's additional $10 per club, so that's essentially $20.00

I know of 12 guys that aren't shooting any of these events because they can't shoot all 4 clubs, so they are just passing all together, however when speaking to them, they all mentioned had there not been a mandatory option they would have shot two and or all four of the clubs.

So lets see 12 shooters x $57.00 each x 4 clubs = $2,736.00 in money that now no club gets.

Shooters are voting with their feet and their wallets on this, I think as stated earlier, just do away with the mandatory class purse and I'm sure more guys will shoot it.

_________________
NSCA#620844
Muller Mafia Member
Regarde l'oiseau


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:31 pm 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:26 pm
Posts: 9414
Location: So Cal USA
Steve Y wrote:
Maybe next year the clubs will just charge us $50.00 plus fees per 100 and NOT return any money. If there is a next year.


Steve

If only there was a term for optional money that people could play if they wanted to. Maybe call it...


...options.

_________________
Liberals are like slinkys, not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs :)


Last edited by ysr_racer on Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:35 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:13 pm 
Limited Edition
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:37 pm
Posts: 336
Guys, I will not be able to participate in the TX this weekend so I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm sure you will see some good targets. You have three great clubs with West Bend a real up and comer. On Monday morning when you are hashing this out, with attendance numbers in hand, realize weather conditions will have an effect on participation. The hard core guys will come in a snow storm but there is a significant percentage of shooters that will decide based on the forecast. Saturday will have temps of 34-17 with 13 mph winds. Sunday 36-25 with 9 mph winds. I think Saturday's conditions will keep some by the fire.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:14 am 
Limited Edition

Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:40 pm
Posts: 452
Purses do not come from the purse fairy. The money comes from entry fees.

Some shoots have added money from outside organizations, or from sponsors. Mandatory purses, regardless of the amount ought to be available to anyone who is required to contribute, in my opinion.

Sales puffery is a long established selling technique. Organizations that engage in it ought to expect that on occasion, individuals will highlight the words that occur after the "if" or "but" and they may also request clarification of the terms of a transaction. We live in the new age of the internet, with almost instant feedback and dissemination of information. Multi-tier pricing with tie in sales, will be understood for what it is.

Most of the time, all revenues pass through the hosting club(s). So at some point, if it is in the till, it is all "Their" money. What they commit to paying out in purses should be transparent. Prices of shoots are what they are and are independent of prior or subsequent shoots.

There are lots of things that induce potential customers to buy products. Some are better than others; some are things that no one has control over, like the weather.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:51 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*

Joined: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:22 pm
Posts: 513
Location: Milwaukee, WI
smoke ball wrote:
Guys, I will not be able to participate in the TX this weekend so I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm sure you will see some good targets. You have three great clubs with West Bend a real up and comer. On Monday morning when you are hashing this out, with attendance numbers in hand, realize weather conditions will have an effect on participation. The hard core guys will come in a snow storm but there is a significant percentage of shooters that will decide based on the forecast. Saturday will have temps of 34-17 with 13 mph winds. Sunday 36-25 with 9 mph winds. I think Saturday's conditions will keep some by the fire.


This is true in my case. I probably would have shot one or two of the events and would not have found it cost prohibitive. But temps in the 20's keep me home.

Jim


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:50 pm 
Field Grade

Joined: Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:33 pm
Posts: 32
I’m always leery of purse enticements at self-scored events. Add a little money and stuff gets squirrelly. 91 & 95 from a B classer at this event? same one who shot 90,91 &95 at last year’s Ironman in E class.( his second Nsca shoot). Cmon are the targets that soft down there or does a few hundred bucks skew things?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:28 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:05 pm
Posts: 4855
Location: S.E.Wisconsin
ALatANSCOeng wrote:
I’m always leery of purse enticements at self-scored events. Add a little money and stuff gets squirrelly. 91 & 95 from a B classer at this event? same one who shot 90,91 &95 at last year’s Ironman in E class.( his second Nsca shoot). Cmon are the targets that soft down there or does a few hundred bucks skew things?



In a Lewis class payout RU never gets any money. Whats your point?


Steve

_________________
The more times you pull the trigger the more fun you are having!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:11 am 
Field Grade

Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:30 am
Posts: 72
I Have to agree w/the OP, I'm not a very good shooter, BUT I like to shoot and it seems my shooting buddies shoot more Registered shoots then shooting for fun. IMO I AM donating my money to someone's pocket (re: Mandatory purses-Lewis Class option I got no problems). I'd rather that extra money go to a "nice" lunch! :P If it wasn't for shooting the State this year I wasn't going to renew in the NSCA, but that horse has been beating to death already. Just my opinions.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:09 am 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:05 pm
Posts: 4855
Location: S.E.Wisconsin
VHart51 wrote:
I Have to agree w/the OP, I'm not a very good shooter,



Thats the whole point of Lewis class, it pays out to anyone that has the correct score. You dont have to be in the top of your class to win money....just lucky.


Steve

_________________
The more times you pull the trigger the more fun you are having!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:26 am 
Diamond Grade

Joined: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:02 am
Posts: 1480
Location: KS
VHart51 wrote:
I Have to agree w/the OP, I'm not a very good shooter, BUT I like to shoot and it seems my shooting buddies shoot more Registered shoots then shooting for fun. IMO I AM donating my money to someone's pocket (re: Mandatory purses-Lewis Class option I got no problems). I'd rather that extra money go to a "nice" lunch! :P If it wasn't for shooting the State this year I wasn't going to renew in the NSCA, but that horse has been beating to death already. Just my opinions.


You should check with the venue to find out if "Hunter" will be available at your state shoot.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:49 pm 
Field Grade
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:00 pm
Posts: 77
Location: Wisconsin
The format of last weekends even doesn't bother me personally, although I understand what everyone is saying.

For me, the weather kept me from a 400-event that I was really looking forward to. I just don't enjoying standing out in those temps for that many hours. :)

_________________
Caesar Guerini Summit Sporting, 32"
Benelli SuperSport, 30"
Remington 11-87 Premier Skeet


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:38 pm 
Crown Grade
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 05, 2003 5:26 pm
Posts: 9414
Location: So Cal USA
For me, the most amazing part of this whole thread is that this many people from Wisconsin can read :)

FLATLANDERS RULE !!

_________________
Liberals are like slinkys, not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs :)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:37 pm 
*Proud to be a*
*Proud to be a*
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:05 pm
Posts: 4855
Location: S.E.Wisconsin
ysr_racer wrote:
For me, the most amazing part of this whole thread is that this many people from Wisconsin can read :)

FLATLANDERS RULE !!



But those of us who can spread the word, and we all have excellent memories.
You know Brad, you are a lot like a slinky. :lol:


Steve



_________________
The more times you pull the trigger the more fun you are having!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 74 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Registered users: 1border4manu, 33logguy, 700xcr, bandmancwc, Banshee, Barmaleykin, Battue, bigbluedodge, Bing [Bot], Bird Guide, Bladeswitcher, bozack, bulldozer3, Capri_Man, Chubakka, claysman steve, CLuttrell, cowpoke, D Forney, DanTheFarmer, dbjaaskeet, DDfan86, deacon391, Dealman, dhb66, dogdstr69, ellisjre, EricB, farview, Fitasc2, FrankH47, Gone shootin, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], gthudspeth, Gumslough, harvard, hopper810, HTSmith, icyclefar, IL Duckshewter, ILLINOIS, J2hapydna, janddg, Jason Johnson, JEDinNC, JNW, Joe C., Keperkey, kjs, Koslamp, la angler, laxcoach, ljusuperx, Lucky1, M12Gunboy, Mainely October, Major146, Malcolm7, martw, mjlav3, moorewhiskey, mortum, Nate_Evans, Northern Skies, Oblio13, oldnnp, OldStufferA5#1911, oneounceload, oregunner, painter*, papillonkirby, Raul Perez, rbshire, Riflemeister, Road Man, RockyH, rubysue, sdpheasant, shane071489, simsy9, SKM, spruce232, stano65, stevenc1311, superbeau, Tailchaser, Twodog, walexa07, westwind, Woodson, ysr_racer


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
© 2017 Carbon Media Group Outdoors    - DMCA Notice