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WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered Shooters
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1.) Yes 44%  44%  [ 15 ]
2.) No 56%  56%  [ 19 ]
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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:53 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:09 pm 
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this.
NorthBrook $55 per 100, Upland $55 per 100
Woods and Meadows (Cranberry) $70 per 100 With some prize money door prizes added.
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Game unlimited and Coyland $55 per 100 if you shoot both clubs, $65 if you only shoot 1 club. with some added $$ if you shoot both clubs.
I think what your seeing is club owners are trying to find a way to get more participation not less. We had several squads lined up but the weather kept us away.
Forget the "added" money for a second.
Everyone of the clubs shoots, generally run very smooth and the scores are posted at the end of each day and/or updated hourly.
The cost per 100 at each Club was $57
So my question is:
Is that unreasonable?

You guys are worried about a score your own? Who do you shoot with? My squad mattes wouldn't cut me any slack and nobody should. {hs#
So come on warm weather!


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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:08 pm 
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And yet many refuse a down class knowing they can not compete in the current class and now whine more because they have no chance at winning their class. It is a competition not a practice round. You want to shoot for cheap don't shoot tournaments and save yourself 20.00 a round.


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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:15 am 
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BAD303 wrote:
And yet many refuse a down class knowing they can not compete in the current class and now whine more because they have no chance at winning their class. It is a competition not a practice round. You want to shoot for cheap don't shoot tournaments and save yourself 20.00 a round.

You just saved me $20, Thank you! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:45 pm 
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BAD303 wrote:
And yet many refuse a down class knowing they can not compete in the current class and now whine more because they have no chance at winning their class. It is a competition not a practice round. You want to shoot for cheap don't shoot tournaments and save yourself 20.00 a round.


How many of those "shooters" you just described pay into the class options and or lewis?

Why does refusing a down class have anything to do with this?

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:36 pm 
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2017 Southern Man 400

Sat WGC 170 entries
Sat WV 173 entries
Sun WGC 145 entries
Sun WBBSC 160 entries

Total entries 648

2018 Southern Man 400

Sat WGC 103 entries
Sat WV 115 entries
Sun WBBSC 86 entries
Sun WV 83 entries

Total entries 387

261 total entry difference.

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:43 pm 
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Was the weather the same both years?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:49 pm 
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Yeah. Blame it on the weather. That’s it.

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:51 pm 
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What do you attribute it to?


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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:51 pm 
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VHart51 wrote:
BAD303 wrote:
And yet many refuse a down class knowing they can not compete in the current class and now whine more because they have no chance at winning their class. It is a competition not a practice round. You want to shoot for cheap don't shoot tournaments and save yourself 20.00 a round.

You just saved me $20, Thank you! :roll:


This site has saved me a ton of money in this hobby by teaching me to shoot right after tournaments. Usually they leave the targets up and the club gets some revenue on an off-peak day. Thank you oneounceload and others.

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 Post subject: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:57 pm 
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remdog1187 wrote:
Yeah. Blame it on the weather. That’s it.


Are you saying that the weather isn’t to blame? The weekend weather was really cold compared to last year and registered turnout is always low when it’s at freezing outside.

Talking to the people WGC, everyone was surprised turnout was as high as it was with 30 degree temps.

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
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tke711 wrote:
remdog1187 wrote:
Yeah. Blame it on the weather. That’s it.


Are you saying that the weather isn’t to blame? The weekend weather was really cold compared to last year and registered turnout is always low when it’s at freezing outside.

Talking to the people WGC, everyone was surprised turnout was as high as it was with 30 degree temps.

Are you implying that the low turnout was solely due to the weather? That WI shooters that shoot all winter long can’t handle some colder spring temps?

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:15 pm 
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So, once again.....what is your theory about the differential?


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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:15 pm 
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Yes. I shoot registered targets all year and turnout is always much lower during cold temps.

The weather last year for the event was fantastic, and the combined Lewis was used last year as well. You can still see the results WSCA website.

I get why you don’t like the format and that’s cool, but considering it was used last year as well, i just don’t think it’s the reason for turnout this year.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:52 pm 
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A 40% drop in entries from last year. That is substantial.
Shooters figured out after the first shoot last year that the format
does not benefit them. Some apparently will never figure it out or
don’t care.
If the mandatory Lewis purse was eliminated for next year,
participation would more than likely increase, colder weather or not. If the promoter
remains stubborn and enforces that format, more than likely
the numbers will decline or remain stagnant. Numbers don’t lie.
A third year with the same format and warmer weather would
determine your theory of weather causing decline.
Are you and the clubs willing to roll the dice in 2019?

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:45 am 
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I shot last year and it was in the 50s and 60s. This year I did not shoot because it was in the 30s. I can't speak for anyone else but it was strictly weather related for me.

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:26 am 
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remdog1187 wrote:
A 40% drop in entries from last year. That is substantial.
Shooters figured out after the first shoot last year that the format
does not benefit them. Some apparently will never figure it out or
don’t care.
If the mandatory Lewis purse was eliminated for next year,
participation would more than likely increase, colder weather or not. If the promoter
remains stubborn and enforces that format, more than likely
the numbers will decline or remain stagnant. Numbers don’t lie.
A third year with the same format and warmer weather would
determine your theory of weather causing decline.
Are you and the clubs willing to roll the dice in 2019?


WGC held a registered event on March 24th/25th. Weather was 35 degrees, or about the same as it was for the 400.

At the shoot in March there were only 42 shooters on Saturday and 65 on Sunday, for a total of 107 for both days of the event. At the shoot last weekend, there were 170 on the one day by your post above at WGC.

Given that, it looks like the combined money was a HUGE draw, not the other way around. :)

Not trying to be a dick, just having some fun with numbers. My opinion is that the combined Lewis money isn't a big deal and does attract some shooters. However, I'll concede that it also likely discourages some as well. The old saying still rings true, you'll never please all of the people all of the time.

Now, we just need this damn weather to get better so we can all shoot more! :)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:23 am 
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tke711 wrote:
remdog1187 wrote:
A 40% drop in entries from last year. That is substantial.
Shooters figured out after the first shoot last year that the format
does not benefit them. Some apparently will never figure it out or
don’t care.
If the mandatory Lewis purse was eliminated for next year,
participation would more than likely increase, colder weather or not. If the promoter
remains stubborn and enforces that format, more than likely
the numbers will decline or remain stagnant. Numbers don’t lie.
A third year with the same format and warmer weather would
determine your theory of weather causing decline.
Are you and the clubs willing to roll the dice in 2019?


WGC held a registered event on March 24th/25th. Weather was 35 degrees, or about the same as it was for the 400.

At the shoot in March there were only 42 shooters on Saturday and 65 on Sunday, for a total of 107 for both days of the event. At the shoot last weekend, there were 170 on the one day by your post above at WGC.

Given that, it looks like the combined money was a HUGE draw, not the other way around. :)

Not trying to be a dick, just having some fun with numbers. My opinion is that the combined Lewis money isn't a big deal and does attract some shooters. However, I'll concede that it also likely discourages some as well. The old saying still rings true, gyou'll never please all of the people all of the time.

Now, we just need this damn weather to get better so we can all shoot more! :)

On 3-24 & 25 Northbrook had their monthly event. It had an impact on attendance. They offer world class sporting, 5 Stand and FITASC. If you want to compete with them head to head you better raise the bar and meet or exceed the target quality consistently.
They also offer optional Lewis and class purse at their monthly events.

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 Post subject: Re: WI Sporting Clays Assc. NSCA Registered members
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:46 am 
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I’m not a cheesehead and knew I could only shoot 3 events but it was fun and well worth the money. I think it’s generous that they offer money back if you make all 4 but that’s just my opinion.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:51 am 
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I guess I still don't get mandatory money back. Options let the people that want to gamble/win money do that. And other people that don't want to gamble/win money do that too.

Isn't that giving everybody what they want?

Kinda like a restaurant. They serve hamburgers AND cheeseburgers. I would guess if they only served one, their business would drop.



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